Be interesting to see how they will work it because normally I get £900 a month in deductions , when they do lump sumps I end up with £1500 in deductions so I’m worse off for that month
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They don't take 100% of your lump sum in deductions though do they. So you're not worse off.
You earn more you pay more in tax/NI/pension etc. But they don't take all of it.
If you paid £600 more in deductions you still would have taken home probably £1200 more NET than a month with no lump sum.
duck all. They’re bribing todays workers to duck over tomorrows. 5% is utterly insulting. Unfortunately I think this is the end of the line though, I don’t think they have the steam for more strikes. Holding out for the junior doctors doing better but sad for my nursing colleagues having such a crappy offer which insults their profession
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Jesus we go round in circles. What’s your point?Tbh if that’s considered a pay cut a lot of the UK are getting a pay cut too
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In reality, it a pay cut. Prices have risen, the cost of living is higher and the offer doesn’t remedy this, it’s a real terms pay cut, the only terms that matter.
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I’m going to be taxed loads on the lump sum. Seems pretty unfair to call this a bonus when everyone will lose a lot due to tax.
Oh you poor things, you should totally not have to pay tax on your lump sum and extra pay. You guys should strike.
You won’t get taxed loads. You will get taxed accordingly to your tax code. The problem with one off payments is that HMRC think that the new gross figure is now your new figure for every month so they tax accordingly. It sorts itself out over the remainder of the tax year
The private sector gets taxed on bonuses too, generally.
It’s also not a pay cut, in real terms everyone else is experiencing a ‘pay cut’ too if we use the same terminology and emotive language.
Sorry to jump on this thread, I have a question and would be grateful if anyone knows the answer.
im an RN, and left my nursing post in February. I still have a job in healthcare but not with the nhs. I was utterly fed up of nursing and wanted a change.
does anyone know if I will be entitled to the proposed one of payment for the months I worked from April 2022?
im an RN, and left my nursing post in February. I still have a job in healthcare but not with the nhs. I was utterly fed up of nursing and wanted a change.
does anyone know if I will be entitled to the proposed one of payment for the months I worked from April 2022?
Really sorry, I don't know but didn't want to post and not reply to you. They're saying it's a payment for 22/23 so might be worth contacting your old HR dept and asking if you will get payment for the 11 months of the year you did work.
Although I would leave it a little while as they generally don't know much more than we do straight after the announcements (also it's not been accepted yet)
I wanted to post this as it might help some to realise what they will be entitled to.
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thanks so much for taking the time to respond.
It's all NHS payroll staff, not just nursing/AHPs etc
I imagine it would be a nightmare to go through staff one by one to determine eligibility. Also I know A&C staff who despite not being clinical, were helping out on the frontline pushing trolleys, delivering PPE to where it was needed etc.
I’m not following
So every month I have approx £900 deducted from NI , tax , pension , student loan
However when we got the back dated pay one year and a lump sum , it put me into the next pension bracket so I had more deducted from me that money so instead of walking away with say 2.7k a month , I walked away with 2.1k amonth
it wasn’t just me ,there was all uproar all over the Facebook group for our trust , there was sooo many people who walked away with less because of the pension bracket and also pension arrears
Why is that relevant? Can no one comment on this if they aren’t nurses or blowing smoke up their backsides?
I think it’s a case of don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Anyone who expects a Tory government to give an above inflation pay rise is a fool. That’s not the way that they operate.
The detail hasn’t been revealed, but it would be quite controversial to make the lump sum tax free. The private sector pay tax on their bonuses as has already been said.
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As a public sector worker who was also on strike yesterday, members of my union were subjected to comments like this.
We worked through the pandemic too but aren’t referred to as ‘angels’. We didn’t get free food or discounts. I’m sure that a charity or Foodbank would gladly accept the donations if NHS staff don’t want the money.
The detail hasn’t been revealed, but it would be quite controversial to make the lump sum tax free. The private sector pay tax on their bonuses as has already been said.
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As a public sector worker who was also on strike yesterday, members of my union were subjected to comments like this.
We worked through the pandemic too but aren’t referred to as ‘angels’. We didn’t get free food or discounts. I’m sure that a charity or Foodbank would gladly accept the donations if NHS staff don’t want the money.Wow that's awful! You'll always get the worst in the internet though and these people would never say it directly to the people on the picket line. It's the same with some of the comments on here which suggests there is animosity against all strikers in general by some.I think it’s a case of don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Anyone who expects a Tory government to give an above inflation pay rise is a fool. That’s not the way that they operate.
The detail hasn’t been revealed, but it would be quite controversial to make the lump sum tax free. The private sector pay tax on their bonuses as has already been said.
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I support everyone trying to get a better wage for themselves especially with how everything is rising in cost and wages are not (and haven't for some time)
Oh and I'm not an angel, I'm one of the ones who get the vitriol, the dreaded "management"
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This actually happened to me earlier this year with the other small payrise we were given, it pushed me into a higher tier for everything and so I had about £100 less a month in my pay packet (and for some reason the NHS had a system of taking the same amount per band for your pension whether you worked 5 or 35 hours a week, so it was even worse for some, they've changed that now!)
I literally work in payroll in public sector. So I have seen many pay increases and unconsolidated payments being made. Each pension cont band is only 1 or 2% higher than the one before.
Even if you went into the 40% tax bracket as well as going up a contribution band you wouldn't be worse off with a pay increase and lump sum.
You generally lose about a third of your wages in deductions. Same applies to a lump sum.
Additionally if you pay extra tax when you go back down to your normal wage, you probably pay less tax each subsequent month to make up for the bit extra you paid previously.
To say you are worse off getting a lump sum is just a barefaced lie.
It's totally irrelevant what my occupation is to this discussion.
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That's a really spiteful comment.I think it’s a case of don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Anyone who expects a Tory government to give an above inflation pay rise is a fool. That’s not the way that they operate.
The detail hasn’t been revealed, but it would be quite controversial to make the lump sum tax free. The private sector pay tax on their bonuses as has already been said.
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I think everyone is just exhausted by the strikes now. Nurses, doctor's, trains, buses, passport office. I've said before I support the right to strike. The nurses strike in particular I haven't supported because I think the language used has been emotionally blackmailing and rude "I could earn more in Aldi" as if working in Aldi is beneath them and I've seen these attitudes played out on this thread.
Those of us that can't or won't strike are just exhausted by it all now.
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This is the thing, a lot of people's anger about the strikes (of nurses, teachers) not just here but what I see everywhere is that we are all (or most of us anyway) doing worse financially each year. I wish I was in an industry that had a union and could strike, which we all should have the right to do, we shouldn't be taking anger/annoyance out on workers that are fighting for their rights it should be at governments that have curtailed ours
No we shouldn't. My anger is directed at the following:
1. Nurses earning 33k but "forced to use food banks" when people earning less are not using foodbanks.
2. Nurses who "have a degree but would better off stacking shelves" go stack the shelves then Hun, or is it beneath you
3. Nurses who are striking for me. You're striking for you.
4. Real terms paycuts that are actually payrises
5. "I worked in the pandemic" so did the people in Aldi that are beneath you
6. I work sooooo hard. We all do.
The emotive blackmailing around the nurses strikes has been terrible. No other profession uses this type of language.
And now, they've had their payrise, they've had their second payrise, and a lump sum and I've seen posts saying that not all nurses should get it just the ones that worked through the pandemic. bleeping hell, grow up!
It’s leaving a bitter taste in peoples mouths because all these strikes seem to be about pay, RMT, Royal Mail, Doctors etc is just pay pay pay, the services for all these sectors at first glance are bleeping shocking
The trains are knackered, expensive and constantly delayed
Royal Mail aren’t fit for purpose and our postie comes about twice a week
Doctors want more pay but you can’t get an appointment or
even keep your appointment without it being cancelled
Rational thought obv prevails and will show different issues contributing to this and hopefully pay rises will sort it out, but without actually looking into it all it shows to the public is that a group of people on over £30k a year during a cost of living crisis are crying poverty. I don’t even see how the unions are surprised at the amount of people being annoyed at strikes
The trains are knackered, expensive and constantly delayed
Royal Mail aren’t fit for purpose and our postie comes about twice a week
Doctors want more pay but you can’t get an appointment or
even keep your appointment without it being cancelled
Rational thought obv prevails and will show different issues contributing to this and hopefully pay rises will sort it out, but without actually looking into it all it shows to the public is that a group of people on over £30k a year during a cost of living crisis are crying poverty. I don’t even see how the unions are surprised at the amount of people being annoyed at strikes