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I’m an ex nurse and would never go back because it’s just not nursing any more. I liked the hands on approach. Spending my day giving out meds and keyboard bashing and shouting for the healthcare assistant when a patient wants to go to the toilet is not my idea of nursing. My friend is an HCA and they do the bulk of the work, blood tests, taking observations, feeding, washing, dressings etc. They aren’t striking, if they did the NHS would fall apart.
Nurses are vital, but they aren’t in the real world if they think they are going to get 16 percent.
The NHS needs a massive overhaul starting with nurses training going back to basics, and stop relying on the overworked and poorly paid HCAs
Rant over
Nurses are vital, but they aren’t in the real world if they think they are going to get 16 percent.
The NHS needs a massive overhaul starting with nurses training going back to basics, and stop relying on the overworked and poorly paid HCAs
Rant over
I stand in solidarity with all those striking for better pay and/or conditions. When employers won't listen or negotiate, it's crucial the employees are willing to stand united and be willing to withdraw their labour en masse.
This is particularly important in private companies where staff pay increases are insultingly low but shareholders and CEOs are getting six figure bonuses.
This is particularly important in private companies where staff pay increases are insultingly low but shareholders and CEOs are getting six figure bonuses.
Would like to hear from people who don't support the strike: why?
I don't know anyone that doesn't support the strike. My sister in law is a nurse at one of the major London hospitals, and the only reason she can survive is because she still lives at home and her parents charge her minimal rent. She's late 20s and zero chance of being able to live independently on her pay unless she takes a second job which, understandably, she's not keen to do given that she works in intensive care, her job is full on and due to staff shortages she often puts in a 60 hour week.
I think the issue is a lot bigger than just improving pay and working conditions for nurses. The whole NHS needs huge change.
Many cancers have a far lower survival rate in the UK compared to similar countries. There needs to be an honest discussion on modernizing the NHS. But I don't think anyone of any political party dare say anything.
Many cancers have a far lower survival rate in the UK compared to similar countries. There needs to be an honest discussion on modernizing the NHS. But I don't think anyone of any political party dare say anything.
A nurse called the presenter of a radio show last week and revealed her job was being threatened by the manager if she didn't strike. She will not be the only one.
Nurses should be paid enough to keep up with inflation
Nurses should have better working conditions
I don't agree with the strikes though as I believe it is a co-ordinated attempt by socialist union bosses to disrupt and breakdown traditional society (and simultaneously keep themselves relevant
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Nurses should be paid enough to keep up with inflation
Nurses should have better working conditions
I don't agree with the strikes though as I believe it is a co-ordinated attempt by socialist union bosses to disrupt and breakdown traditional society (and simultaneously keep themselves relevant
)
I am a nurse and I do know why we are striking. I agree with the reasons why but I don’t feel a strike will solve anything. Support will be lost quickly if people’s care is impacted. I feel for people who may have waited a long time for an appointment only to have it cancelled due to striking staff.
I do get it, I really do but I just don’t see it solving anything and making matters worse for some people
I do get it, I really do but I just don’t see it solving anything and making matters worse for some people
My friends hospital is planning on striking in a rota. They can’t cover their own wards, so how the heck are they going to cover two wards with half a wards worth of staff ?I am a nurse and I do know why we are striking. I agree with the reasons why but I don’t feel a strike will solve anything. Support will be lost quickly if people’s care is impacted. I feel for people who may have waited a long time for an appointment only to have it cancelled due to striking staff.
I do get it, I really do but I just don’t see it solving anything and making matters worse for some people
Good luck and best wishes x
Thank you for this. As a HCA of 10 years. I am paid peanuts and take the bulk of the work from 7-7:30. I can’t excuse that the nurses have their own workload and it can be very demanding too but their job like you say is mainly paperwork, tick boxes, audits & no patient hands on care. Changes need to be made across the whole of the NHS, not just the Nurses.I’m an ex nurse and would never go back because it’s just not nursing any more. I liked the hands on approach. Spending my day giving out meds and keyboard bashing and shouting for the healthcare assistant when a patient wants to go to the toilet is not my idea of nursing. My friend is an HCA and they do the bulk of the work, blood tests, taking observations, feeding, washing, dressings etc. They aren’t striking, if they did the NHS would fall apart.
Nurses are vital, but they aren’t in the real world if they think they are going to get 16 percent.
The NHS needs a massive overhaul starting with nurses training going back to basics, and stop relying on the overworked and poorly paid HCAs
Rant over
What I can’t get on board with is….
they’re striking for better conditions aswell as better pay.
They can’t just magic more staff which is the main issue here, they’re just going to be paid more to be understaffed and overworked!
I suppose the point is that for nurses to receive a better pay so they don’t either leave the profession completely or go to work for an agency where pay is a lot better and usually weekly pay.
I don’t want to get into the ins and outs of a nurse’s role but nurses do much more than ‘paperwork’. Nurses work in many different roles in different areas- adult, child, mental health, learning disabilities- and are highly skilled and work with a lot of autonomy and responsibilities.
Yeah I totally agree, they do. I’m not disputing that!
but the profession has changed so much. These wonderful nurses have so much knowledge & background but they are made to carry out so much paperwork, audits and checks. There’s no time for the bedside/hands on nursing approach! Im a recently qualified band 4 from band 2 and I’ve noticed I don’t do as much patient hands on care and it upsets me sometimes as I do like to be part of the patients journey physically rather than in the background. My manager has sent out many emails reminding us to fill out audits, & highlighting missed documentation etc, on the days that we are either dangerously short staffed or have had a mega busy day. It is completely overlooked from all sides!
I understand why they are going on strike and really hope they get better pay and conditions but I’m also not convinced striking will solve anything. Look at all the rail strikes we’ve had this year- and it’s still not resolved. Striking just feels like it has implications on the wrong people. My family have been in and out of hospital this year and it’s been terrifying enough with backlogs, shortages and really basic planning/ communication problems (probably a symptom of lack of people). The people it impacts are regular people, not the people in charge who can just go elsewhere.
Understand where you are coming from , but rail companies have had many strikes over the years but this is a historic first for nurses. In order for the nhs to survive , something has to give . Everything is going up in costs but not the wages . Nurses are leaving in thousands to go work for agencies where we can get paid £30/40 a hour which will leave nhs soooo understaffed . The threat of striking has worked for Scotland , they’ve jsut recieived an offer of 7.5% in the last few days
I personally think the whole pay structure of the NHS needs looking into.
What concerns me about Nurses pay is that it’s not just going be a pay increase FOR nurses…..
Most of our nurses are band 5 or 6 on the pay scale….if the nurses get the pay rise they deserve, in effect so will every bugger else at band 5 / band 6 and above…….then all those ‘managers’ of managers and pen pushers will all get a pay rise and in effect, those who do the least and make all the tit decisions that negatively affect the NHS will just get richer…..
Nurses, CSW’s, HCA, domestics, receptionists, porters etc should all be paid separately from the current banding pay scale…..
What concerns me about Nurses pay is that it’s not just going be a pay increase FOR nurses…..
Most of our nurses are band 5 or 6 on the pay scale….if the nurses get the pay rise they deserve, in effect so will every bugger else at band 5 / band 6 and above…….then all those ‘managers’ of managers and pen pushers will all get a pay rise and in effect, those who do the least and make all the tit decisions that negatively affect the NHS will just get richer…..
Nurses, CSW’s, HCA, domestics, receptionists, porters etc should all be paid separately from the current banding pay scale…..
I don't understand why they don't just announce the return of the bursary?
That would be small change and would help the supply (in a couple of years).
That would be small change and would help the supply (in a couple of years).
It's a long time since I worked for the NHS, but the conditions were bad then and are infinitely worse now. I don't see that they've any choice to be honest.
Yes, I can't believe that they didn't realise what a catastrophic effect this would have on the recruitment of nursing and midwifery students. The drop-out rate has increased hugely, probably because students realise that they're going to incur huge debts during their studies and that they don't have the free time to get jobs to help with their costs. Then, when they do qualify, they're paid an insultingly low wage, and are expected to suck it up because their job is a "vocation".
Don’t support the strikes at all. Nurses know what he pay is before even entering the workforce.
They are putting public health at risk.
Does the NHS in general need a rethink? Probably yes but this isn’t it and people are already turning on them.
If I had an operation cancelled due to the strikes I’d be fuming.
A lot of nurses had also been bullied into “supporting” the strikes.
Absolute bollocks and nothing anybody says will change my mind. They are better paid than most people
They are putting public health at risk.
Does the NHS in general need a rethink? Probably yes but this isn’t it and people are already turning on them.
If I had an operation cancelled due to the strikes I’d be fuming.
A lot of nurses had also been bullied into “supporting” the strikes.
Absolute bollocks and nothing anybody says will change my mind. They are better paid than most people
I think they’re underpaid for what they do and how hard they work. I support the strikes.