Nurses striking

[shifttea]

Rational thought knows that the government is tit. But if I’d lost a family member or friend due to this I don’t think rational thought would come in to it.
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Apparently no department is exempt now. Absolutely disgusting.

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but why are theses exempt ones striking? you can't leave someone in a coma with no nurse. thats ridiculous. you can't force cancer patients to have their treatments delayed. you can't say "I know your grans having a heart attack, but she'll just have to wait for a few days, we're on strike".

I will always support strikes and striking, but there is a limit. I care for people with advanced dementia, and whilst my job is exhausting and underpaid, no staff member there would strike because all hell would break loose.

 

[Tui]

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but why are theses exempt ones striking? you can't leave someone in a coma with no nurse. thats ridiculous. you can't force cancer patients to have their treatments delayed. you can't say "I know your grans having a heart attack, but she'll just have to wait for a few days, we're on strike".

I will always support strikes and striking, but there is a limit. I care for people with advanced dementia, and whilst my job is exhausting and underpaid, no staff member there would strike because all hell would break loose.

I expect they will have support staff for high risk areas. I worked during a nursing strike in another country and the union had nominated members who were allocated to certain areas for critical service delivery like giving drugs etc. Those staff were still technically participating in strike action as they were coordinated by the union but their role was to protect critical service delivery and that’s all I.e we couldn’t expect them to do anything more than what they were placed there to do.

 

[anotheronebitesthedust.1]

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but why are theses exempt ones striking? you can't leave someone in a coma with no nurse. thats ridiculous. you can't force cancer patients to have their treatments delayed. you can't say "I know your grans having a heart attack, but she'll just have to wait for a few days, we're on strike".

I will always support strikes and striking, but there is a limit. I care for people with advanced dementia, and whilst my job is exhausting and underpaid, no staff member there would strike because all hell would break loose.

Just saying Cancer patients treatments were all cancelled during covid for some hospitals so that’s nothing new. So if it happened then, I’m sure they is a high chance of getting them cancelled again

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Soooo everyone gets more money in the recently announced pay deal. What about the shocking conditions, stress, burn out etc, what’s being done about them ?

 

[anotheronebitesthedust.1]

Soooo everyone gets more money in the recently announced pay deal. What about the shocking conditions, stress, burn out etc, what’s being done about them ?

Well hopefully with better pay , it will make it more appealing for the nhs to recruit people which in turn will improve staffing ratios which then stops the current staff having to pick up more

 

[judgejohndeed]

The press release also mentions commitment to reforms such as specific work around nursing recruitment, retention, and professional development

 

[Polythene Pam]

Aren't they only allowed to strike over pay? So it's the only official point of dispute.
Pay is a huge factor in making nursing an attractive career but as PP said, there are commitments to other things to improve working conditions.

 

[Warriorqueen]

Soooo everyone gets more money in the recently announced pay deal. What about the shocking conditions, stress, burn out etc, what’s being done about them ?

Everyone gets a lump sum and a pathetic insult of a rise that still remains a pay cut. I know what I’ll be voting. Sorry, I want this over too but I’m standing my ground.

 

[Snowjoke]

What pay rise are they offering?

 

[Emsie]

It's not a pay cut. You are not getting a pay cut. It's a payrise that isn't in line with inflation.
The language in these strikes (not just nurses TBF) is infuriating!!!

 

[gigilouxx]

I thought it wasn’t about pay? Isn’t it about the conditions? Aren’t all these strikes for us little people who use the nhs? Must be mistaken

 

[Polythene Pam]

I thought it wasn’t about pay? Isn’t it about the conditions? Aren’t all these strikes for us little people who use the nhs? Must be mistaken

They aren't allowed to strike over anything except pay, so that is the focus of the dispute. They have also agreed a number of reforms to help improve working conditions.

Government and health unions agree pay deal paving way for an end to strike action

After constructive talks with health unions, the government has put forward an offer for more than 1 million NHS staff to receive an additional pay rise.

www.gov.uk

 

[Blond3g1rl]

Everyone gets a lump sum and a pathetic insult of a rise that still remains a pay cut. I know what I’ll be voting. Sorry, I want this over too but I’m standing my ground.

You aren’t getting a pay cut! Your pay is going up!

 

[anotheronebitesthedust.1]

You aren’t getting a pay cut! Your pay is going up!

the official business term from multiple sources is " Any yearly pay rise at or below the current rate of inflation is, in real money terms, a pay cut "

 

[Blond3g1rl]

the official business term from multiple sources is " Any yearly pay rise at or below the current rate of inflation is, in real money terms, a pay cut "

I work in an industry where a pay cut is a reduction of gross pay, I.e a reduction in salary grade. A salary not keeping up with inflation is a stagnating salary.

 

[HoGi]

the official business term from multiple sources is " Any yearly pay rise at or below the current rate of inflation is, in real money terms, a pay cut "

In real money terms yes. But it isn't actually a pay cut.

A pay cut is going from earning 35k to 30k.

Not 35k having less buying power as everything costs more.

 

[Snowjoke]

Tbh if that’s considered a pay cut a lot of the UK are getting a pay cut too

 

[anotheronebitesthedust.1]

Personally im not interested in the lump sum, everytime i get a lump sum, it pushes me into the next pension brackets so I come away with less pay than what i would normally get

 

[Blond3g1rl]

Tbh if that’s considered a pay cut a lot of the UK are getting a pay cut too

Personally im not interested in the lump sum, everytime i get a lump sum, it pushes me into the next pension brackets so I come away with less pay than what i would normally get

If you want a very good pension then you have to be prepared to pay for it

 

[I_Like_Tractors]

Personally im not interested in the lump sum, everytime i get a lump sum, it pushes me into the next pension brackets so I come away with less pay than what i would normally get

I read today that the lump sum is non pensionable. Not sure how they'll manage that though!