Michael Jackson

[2xblended]

Hadn't even heard of it. What a completely different take on the situation, thanks for sharing.

 

[Web30]

Oh the NABL
Oh the NAMBLA book he claimed was sent by a fan.I think that was all that was found, right? I never heard of anymore. I studied that 2005 trial hard back in the day. The 2005 trial really struggled with any physical evidence to convict, especially in regards to any indecent images on laptops/ computers. I think Sneddon was quite disappointed in the lack of evidence despite searching for hours. I still think that the Gavin Arvizo trial didn't hold much weight, but Sneddon was so desperate to convict, that he ran with it.

From watching the Netflix doc, it seemed like it was the child psycotrist that gavin was sent to that thought he had been abused and thats why the police got involved. I always thought it was his mum that reported it. Sounds like ideas were planted, again no evidence was found.

 

[Web30]

Really? You think anyone would find that hard during a child sex abuse case? So if you end up on the jury of a rape case but they play a little bit of MJ you’re gonna dance are you?

I think it would be hard not to move a little bit, I'm not saying it was right or that any one would be up partying.

 

[Ivegone]

To me he seemed like the most asexual man on the planet. I know he had supposed relationships but nothing of any substance. They looked like publicity stunts for both parties. The marriage to Lisa Marie was weird. His obsession with looking like Liz Taylor and Liza minelli was in line with feeling more feminine than masculine. I think if anything he was a gay man in the closet. Am I right in that no girl children were invited into his bed? Not a question just to you but a general question.

All about the dollar. Just back from seeing Michael a 4th time and again it was packed

It's so good isn't it

 

[White rose]

There are people walking amongst us every day - who have committed crimes, that have either not reached court (as CPS did not have enough on them to charge), or have faced court and got off. Some have never got as far as being questioned by the police.

I am judging him by his actions - predatory behaviour.

A false accusation doesn’t create innocence either. Jimmy Saville never even faced court and also had false accusations made against him (Carl Beech was a false accuser, an abuser himself, who never met him). This does not make Saville innocent - despite not being found guilty or even charged by a court, we know that he was absolutely guilty of the most despicable crimes.

We are never going to agree on this.. you find him guilty with out proof and just hear say from the accusers. people close to him and the time lines ect have changed constantly, I find him innocent because there is not one single bit of evidence.

I hope we can agree that these new claims are for money. Wade & cascio family demanded a payout and the estate has refused this, would they of came forward with these claims if the estate paid out? I highly doubt it.

These lies ( my opinion ) must be hurting his family so bad, prince defends his dad, Paris has obviously struggled so bad, I read she self harmed and was addicted to drugs at a early age, bigi just looks lost. He’s been dead for 17 year and still this continues.

 

[Web30]

Wow I had no idea Joe Jackson sexually abused his children. WTF now it all makes sense. I always said Michael must have been sexually abused as child he learnt it from somewhere, I assumed his father beat him and producers abused him possibly but now I see it was WAY more than that. Is that the only way he thought love was? Wow. So many of the Jackson 5 spoke about the abuse and yet Joe didn't go to jail?!

Not just them. Apparently some of his brothers kids went through it as well, not sure if it was joe but someone else in the family

 

[KINGAA]

There are plenty of abusers who got away with it plain sight - Saville being the obvious example.

But he never got away? And wasn’t hiding in plain sight like Saville - the conversation has been ongoing for years, he went to court, he went under the FBI investigations multiple times, he was never convicted.

He has been in the public court of law for 33 years and it will never ever end because as the public we see him generally as guilty because it’s hard to fathom why a grown ass man was having sleep overs and giving minors alcohol etc. It’s all layers of messed up but he never got away with anything really, he was done and over since that first case. The only thing people want now is millions of dollars, but these families were fine with shipping their kids off to him though at the time… like I know grooming is a thing but come on, really letting a grown man be alone and share a bed with your child. They wanted his money, the parents of these children who are suing should also be cross examined if these go to court.

 

[Web30]

I watched the first episode and that woman from the channel 4 documentary in it, the one who was "best friends" with Janet arvizo, shes definitely making her money out of this crap.

 

[Handerton]

Yes famous people can definitely get the best lawyers.
But I read all the OJ details and I see how he got away with murder there. It wasn't just the best defence lawyers, the prosecution messed up sadly.

I don't rely on the media reporting of the 2005 Jackson trial as they were ridiculously anti Jackson and I couldn't understand what was going on. I stuck to reading the court transcripts (because I'm a bit of a nerd like that!).

I found this article very interesting about 2005 trial:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/610258/amp

I don't agree about all these "rumoured" NDAs that you have no evidence of whatsoever and is based purely on speculation. If you look at the court transcript from the AEG wrongful death suit after Jackson died (brought by the Jackson family), the court went through all Jackson's accounts and no huge NDA payments mentioned. Also the FBI were investigating Jackson on and off for a ten year period. Tapping phones and all sorts. They never found any evidence and NDAs with big payouts, would very likely have been picked up. If you have the time or inclination I'd personally read the court transcripts - very interesting !

Makes a lot of sense - but I know from the Weinstein one, there were things turning up every day that had been hidden from everyone before. All those payouts he made, all the NDAs his previous employees had... at the level of making money for other people that these perverts are at, I wouldn't be shocked to learn anything about them. They certainly have firms of people specifically used to cover up shit for them. And why would it be Jackson in particular getting picked on - why would he unfairly be targeted when many people as famous - let’s say Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, that sort of level to name two he worked with - rarely have anyone accuse them of anything?

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I always thought the same about no girl children, but I read an article the other day that talked about a payoff to a female child. It was accompanied by a 90 something page court document which talked quite graphically about the abuse (I would highly recommend not reading or scanning it) I'll have a quick look later and see if I can find where I saw it.

I'd take the Casio statement with a huge pinch of salt.

 

[Tothemoonandback]

No not watched. where would I find it @Dexy , sounds interesting

 

[Upintheair83]

No, actually, not just the NAMBLA book. Please forgive me for not being fully versed on the defense of this pedophile, here's what the Google AI had to say. I'm sure you can look up the same and follow the citations.

I forgive you don't worry, but I do think its a good idea to get all the evidence involved instead of selected parts, after all that is what the justice system is for- to look at the evidence. You can't just convict someone because you 'think' they did it. Jeez, every weirdo would be in jail and alot of innocent people serving time.
So the book you screenshot here, is the NAMBLA book I'm talking about. And the magazines were porn magazines (heterosexual and homosexual) , that you can find in newsagents. They were used as evidence because Gavins fingerprints were on them, and they said that it was part of Jacksons grooming (that he allowed Gavin access to porn magazines).
And as far as I'm aware, no indecent images of children were found on any devices, I'm sure we would have heard all about them and what category they were if he had- it would have been headline news.

 

[Oohthedrama]

I decided against watching it in the end. I just don’t want to know the details. So much about his life was a car crash, he’s dead, his kids aren’t.
I still believe this documentary shouldn’t have been made, not that he shouldn’t be called out on his actions now he’s dead, I don’t know what happened and none of us really do, but the fact that this documentary was a producer going after a story and not “victims” speaking out after years and years of being scared into silence just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Now the R Kelly case I’m really interested in, because it’s all happening now, and there’s so much to it.
If anyone wants to join the chat while the ABC interview is a hot topic there’s a thread for him in General That started yesterday!

http://tattle.life/threads/surviving-r-kelly-r-kelly-breaks-his-silence.771/

 

[SaucyChops13]

Really enjoy reading everyone’s opinions on MJ. I always thought he was guilty because I naively thought why would you pay someone out when you’re innocent. I keep seeing things popping up on my Instagram feed of people saying that MJ died because of the whole Epstein thing (again something I’m not fully clued up on!) why are these theorists saying that all the celebs that died early or took their own life was because they knew about Epstein

 

[Upintheair83]

You are talking about professional jurors, who would have to be paid for their services. Can you not see how problematic this would be?

Of course it would! In an ideal world I meant, of course it would never work. But would stop some silly verdicts at times

 

[Prince fan 1999]

How do you mean?

They edited the part with Arvizo from the Bashir documentary. Taking out the part where Michael said he sleeps on the floor.

The artist who did the painting supposedly of the last supper,said it was in no way meant to depict that and it was taken out of context.

 

[Abominatrix]

Naked child videos??!! Where have you seen this evidence? Iv never heard or read that he was found with naked child videos.

No videos it seems, just lots of pictures.

 

[Web30]

I think the backlash from the documentary caused a snowball effect. After all, the footage of Gavin resting his head on his shoulder was very alarming and MJ hardly came across as a stable adult in the whole thing.

Yes, just had a google and those clips are what made his school intervene.
The thing I don't get is with the dates, the "abuse" wasnt meant to happen till months after this was filmed and aired, when Michael invited the family back to neverland to get away from the press, why would he then molest him with all the speculation going on, it doesnt make sense.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Show me the evidence he done it. There is none but what there is, is parents on phone calls saying they will destroy him, past attempts for parents of false sexual claims, Gavins mother was took back to court for this, also welfare fraud. She saw a opportunity and took it. Money speaks.. she chose money over her child because didn’t gavin cut all contact with his parents after this? This kid was made to say these lies to fill the pocket of his parents.

Plenty people who have nothing to gain financially from this have said Michael we nothing but a child in a man’s body. I don’t agree with him sharing a bed with a child but as far as sexual abuse goes I 100% believe he didn’t touch them.

Yes I know plenty about sa cases I’ve been thru this and let me tell you money was the last thing on my mind, I wanted justice.

You may think this wrong of me but I feel for him. All this when the man is in his grave and can’t defend his self. A one sided story is better then two sided when it comes to trying to getting £££.

I know Chandler cut ties with his parents. Probably because they made him say stuff which didn't happen.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

No, 2013. Only 1 season but full episodes are on YouTube

Thank you. I'll watch over the weekend