Michael Jackson

[Web30]

Watching the first ep of this, so Gavin hadn't seen MJ for a year and a half and was invited along for the Martin basher interview. Didnt they make out like he lived there full time? Clearly his mum saw it as a way back in and said yes to it.

 

[princesssparklepants]

There's a show on BBC2 in the UK right now called The Real Michael Jackson

 

[Upintheair83]

Very interesting video posted a few hours ago on soft white underbelly... Michaels crisis publicist.
I found it to be quite a good interview- alot of factual information in there and, of course his own opinions. A couple of inconsistencies i noted,plus the timing of him coming forward is questioable- I'm sure the mega fans will rip those apart. But overall very interesting and i found myself thinking alot was probably very true. So disturbing that alot of people in his inner circle were aware and included in the 'kiddie circle'- and I feel they should be held accountable too, but MJ is and will always be the perfect fall guy, those who facilitated it probably won't ever be talked about.
It left me feeling that the DA and all of those who were hell bent on proving MJ to be an abuser just were too tunnel vision. I feel that the Arvizos just were not credible at all- maybe if another victim had come forward, the verdict would have been very different.
I do feel that these Cascio accusations might have got somewhere had he been alive though.

 

[Web30]

Reading today the wade and his wife actully wanted to get married at neverland!!

 

[Web30]

I need to finish the show but I had to google when the Gavin abuse allergiedly happened. If this is correct it was after the documentary aired... why would he abuse Gavin while the press were after him for the sleeping in the bed accusations.

 

[AladdinSane]

I would so love to know what the deal is with those kids. It seems very unlikely that they are genetically his.

He was quite happy for them to not have a mum which is just so selfish and sad.

And prince's angelic blonde hair when he was little was suss.

I believe he dyed Prince's hair when he was younger

Its strange because the kids do have lighter skin but then when you look at pictures of them next to Latoya, especially at the funeral, they have a similar skin shade and, as far as I'm aware, she never bleached her skin?

Prince also is rumoured to have vitiligo.

 

[magsmagsmags]

Could anyone recommend a good documentary about his life? I feel like I actually know very little and would like to before I see the movie (not all that keen on seeing it but promised a friend I’d tag along)

 

[Rlaw1978]

Interesting interview with Louis Theroux about this

Louis Theroux speaks out on Michael Jackson abuse claims

The BBC filmmaker gives his thoughts on the allegations.

www.digitalspy.com

 

[Libertine1975]

The standard of proof in a criminal trial is beyond all reasonable doubt. The jury had reasonable doubt.

I think having cameras and recordings of the bedroom if MJ was innocent of the abuse would open up another can of worms...

I feel that Michael was innocent but I also understand why people think he isn't. To me the stories of the alleged victims just don't add up and they have some shady behaviours around MJ (selling his underwear...seriously...it is totally fucked up).

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

You are talking about professional jurors, who would have to be paid for their services. Can you not see how problematic this would be?

It's an absolutely absurd and unworkable idea. Jurors need to be randomly selected to keep the process fair and unbiased. Choosing people based on their backgrounds would be absurd and would cause a backlog of cases.

Sure, every orchard has a few bad apples, but the current system is the best.

 

[Sunshiney]

This sounds more like the natural progression of life and would in large part have to do with the kids getting their own lives and other interests once they grew older, not so much MJ stopped calling because they got older. As kids they went to Neverland to jump up and down on bouncy castles and have fun. But teenagers won't be prioritising petting llamas, and MJ isn't going to help them write a CV to get a corporate job when they turned 20.

I doubt he was ever a best friend to any of these kids, I think that as adults they exaggerate their childhood connection to MJ for obvious reasons. By some accounts he was hardly ever there when sleepovers were happening and it was just kids running amok in his house. I think MJ found a safety blanket in having kids around and nothing more (which is also wrong, because kids are not supposed to be parenting some adult stranger).

How exactly does this constitute abuse, exactly? Are all of the people you made as friends in your youth still your friends today? What made MJ any different, people may not be friends forever, that's normal life. So because one is a celebrity it means that you have to keep the friends you've made when you were young and dropping them is abusive, that's dumb.

Michael Jackson was a regular dude, who dressed in jeans and, shirts and slacks, a businessman... MJ KoP was an alter ego for the stage, he dressed flamboyantly, was aligned to Neverland; although he didn't stay there much, that's not who the real Michael was. MJ KoP was a character.

How was he ruthless in business more than anyone else in that industry? He was a businessman who, at least in his younger days, before he was overcome by prescription drugs, other physical and medical ailments including what seemed to be depression (my opinion), he did exactly what Paul did, by music catalogues which includes music by various artistes. Paul was given first dibs in purchasing the catalogue and he refused, MJ did not, he, by the way, had to fight others who were willing to pay the price for it and he did in 1985. Paul lost out too damn bad...

 

[Web30]

They left out all the scandal so it's not a real life biography. It's telling Paris won't go to any of the premieres.

It only goes up to Bad era as far as im aware anyway.
Going to see it at the weekend and really hope its not a let down but heard good things from fans.

 

[Web30]

Thank you. I'll watch over the weekend

Its awful but good at the same time. Classic reality rubbish

 

[Upintheair83]

Even if he didn't sexually abuse children, it cannot be denied that he groomed children and their families, and developed inappropriate relationships with young boys. This alone should be enough for his music to never be played again imo. If it was any other male music star showing the same behaviours today, they would be cancelled immediately.

I respect your opinion

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Plenty has been discussed in the past 17 years. People make up their own minds - but it will be based on his behaviour. What they knew at the time and what they have become aware of more recently.

But he's dead now. What would be the point? Or is it for a share of the

 

[BreakingBadWind]

Anyone watching the new Netflix series?

 

[Horatio]

Another excellent must read piece( especially for those not sure) - an interview with the director

https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/leaving-neverland-michael-jackson-dan-reed-interview.html

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Its awful but good at the same time. Classic reality rubbish

My type of TV then

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

the current family who filed the lawsuit were vehemently defending MJ over the years.

I don’t doubt MJ was a paedophile at all. I don’t think he abused every little kid around him though.

he favored submissive boys didn’t he.

I think it was all normal for him but he was savvy enough to abuse kids hidden. he slipped up when he defended sharing beds with kids and had to go with it I think.

 

[Web30]

No. I never knew about this. Is it recent?

No, 2013. Only 1 season but full episodes are on YouTube