Michael Jackson

[Abominatrix]

But couldn't any jury who liled any popstar do this but p diddy is in prison how many other celebs have been in prison

That's always the risk taken when trying the rich and famous - juror loyalties to them could twist things. However, no one in the world was ever as famous and beloved as Michael Jackson, there's no arguing that. People were and still are obsessed with proving his innocence, because he occupied a place in their hearts.

The world was obsessed with Micheal, people were fainting at his concerts, all over the world. Diddy is not the same.

Also a reminder that there is video footage of R Kelly urinating on a 14 year old girl, whom he was sexually abusing far further than that, and people vociferously defended him for decades.

It has taken a long, long time to get where we are as far as the public accepting these abuses, and the trial against Jackson then would not be at all the same as a trial against him now.

ETA: another reminder that OJ Simpson walked. That does not mean he was innocent. For every celebrity in prison, there's a dozen whose status protected them from consequences.

 

[Ivegone]

That's always the risk taken when trying the rich and famous - juror loyalties to them could twist things. However, no one in the world was ever as famous and beloved as Michael Jackson, there's no arguing that. People were and still are obsessed with proving his innocence, because he occupied a place in their hearts.

The world was obsessed with Micheal, people were fainting at his concerts, all over the world. Diddy is not the same.

Also a reminder that there is video footage of R Kelly urinating on a 14 year old girl, whom he was sexually abusing far further than that, and people vociferously defended him for decades.

It has taken a long, long time to get where we are as far as the public accepting these abuses, and the trial against Jackson then would not be at all the same as a trial against him now.

ETA: another reminder that OJ Simpson walked. That does not mean he was innocent. For every celebrity in prison, there's a dozen whose status protected them from consequences.

Thank you see i thought if someone was your idol no way could you jury for them

I separate them music them and personal them same with R Kelly turn back the hands of time is one of my favourite 90s songs i dont like what he did but i still lile the music amd i dont think i could ever hate Michael Jackson music apatt from the preachy charity tit

 

[Abominatrix]

Thank you see i thought if someone was your idol no way could you jury for them

I separate them music them and personal them same with R Kelly turn back the hands of time is one of my favourite 90s songs i dont like what he did but i still lile the music amd i dont think i could ever hate Michael Jackson music apatt from the preachy charity tit

I'm with you on that. There are some artists I can't separate from their behavior and some I can, lots of problematic artists out there.

I think it's also a little easier with Jackson because he had physically changed so much by the time the allegations came out that it was almost like a different person entirely. So watching older videos of him feels a lot different than when he became that pale ghoul.

I still love lots of his older videos and songs, I used to watch the first part of Moonwalker, fast forward to Smooth Criminal (omg that lean is incredible!) and then turn it off, even before the allegations that tit was creepy.

 

[Yano]

Why would he need to make friends with young boys when he literally had 3 children of his own? If it was all about being a kid again then firstly, why would a kid want the responsibility of 3 kids to take care of and secondly....whys hes spending his time with random kids and not his own?

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

Let’s say that MJ didn’t touch kids (he did) but let’s say he didn’t. He still had young children he was not related to in his bed, alone. Bought them gifts.

If a man down the street said let your 12 year old son sleep in my bed, play on the rides in my garden and I’ll buy him presents are you saying you’d say yes?! Nah, you’d say duck off you dirty p.

You cannot separate the grooming and disgust of it all just because MJ has a few good songs. He’s a groomer. People argue he didn’t touch his own kids. Most paedophiles don’t actually touch their own children.

Lack of evidence? Well MJ didn’t need to have tons of child SA material did he really? He had a carousel of young kids in his actual bed . His court case was a farce as well. Jurors dancing to his music in the stands? It was a joke.

 

[Midsummer Son]

Let’s say that MJ didn’t touch kids (he did) but let’s say he didn’t. He still had young children he was not related to in his bed, alone. Bought them gifts.

If a man down the street said let your 12 year old son sleep in my bed, play on the rides in my garden and I’ll buy him presents are you saying you’d say yes?! Nah, you’d say duck off you dirty p.

You cannot separate the grooming and disgust of it all just because MJ has a few good songs. He’s a groomer. People argue he didn’t touch his own kids. Most paedophiles don’t actually touch their own children.

Lack of evidence? Well MJ didn’t need to have tons of child SA material did he really? He had a carousel of young kids in his actual bed . His court case was a farce as well. Jurors dancing to his music in the stands? It was a joke.

I can't believe the jurors danced to his music. Even if you're a fan, doing that shows the highest level of disrespect for the victims of the very serious accusations they had to deliberate on. Of course people like that were going to exonerate him no matter the evidence.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I can't believe the jurors danced to his music. Even if you're a fan, doing that shows the highest level of disrespect for the victims of the very serious accusations they had to deliberate on. Of course people like that were going to exonerate him despite the evidence being clear as day.

I only heard about the jury dancing to MJ on that awful Netflix documentary so I take that with a huge pinch of salt

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

I can't believe the jurors danced to his music. Even if you're a fan, doing that shows the highest level of disrespect for the victims of the very serious accusations they had to deliberate on. Of course people like that were going to exonerate him no matter the evidence.

I saw it on another podcast where they interviewed a few of the jurors.

 

[shellie]

It’s well-known that MJ was obsessed with Elvis, who was the first global star and the MJ of his day. I think his marriage to Lisa Marie was an attempt to have a part of Elvis for himself so to speak, almost like collecting a living part of him. And he probably relished the status/idea of the King of Pop being married to the daughter of the King of Rock n Roll.

Regarding the jury clearing MJ, I don’t think anyone reasonable would consider that an unbiased trial. The jurors were clearly starstruck with MJ and he was also still incredibly famous and beloved. Let’s be real, a large Dave from down the road accused of the same crimes would have been convicted without a doubt.

BIB - I've said it earlier in the thread that a few years back there was a show on one of the crime channels going over old controversial cases like OJ & the MJ one where they got some of the jurors together and said knowing what you know now, would you still say the same thing? On the Michael one, there was a woman who admitted to being a MJ fan and lying when asked if she could be impartial. She said she didn't believe a word of it and even if there was 'proof' she would likely still vote him innocent. It's not hard to believe there were others who thought the same thing.

A few of the jurors admitted that as much as they were told to, they couldn't treat it as a normal trial as even friends and family were urging them to do the 'right thing and let him live in peace.' I have seen a few of the jurors do interviews over the years saying there wasn't enough to say he was 100% guilty so they had to go with that but at the same time, with all they saw, they didn't believe for one moment that he was innocent and used his fame and fortune to make sure he would get away with it.

 

[samwilzrhcp]

He was clearly a PDFile!
There would be uproar if Dave down the street had strangers kids round for sleepovers. His fanatic fans can’t see the wood for the trees unfortunately.

 

[Ivegone]

surely the trial shouldnt have been allowed then
this is what google said when i asked if a celeb in trial should have jurys who like their music acting etc

Legally, no; a celebrity should not have a jury composed of people who like them. The goal of a jury trial is to provide an impartial trier of fact, and having a jury packed with fans would create an inherent bias that undermines the core principles of the justice system

 

[Miss Havisham]

surely the trial shouldnt have been allowed then
this is what google said when i asked if a celeb in trial should have jurys who like their music acting etc

Legally, no; a celebrity should not have a jury composed of people who like them. The goal of a jury trial is to provide an impartial trier of fact, and having a jury packed with fans would create an inherent bias that undermines the core principles of the justice system

It shouldn’t happen, but then I would expect it would be impossible to check / confirm either way.

I imagine they could be asked if they are a fan (but then how do they decide what makes someone a “fan”)?
All they have to do, is say no.

 

[Ivegone]

It shouldn’t happen, but then I would expect it would be impossible to check / confirm either way.

I imagine they could be asked if they are a fan (but then how do they decide what makes someone a “fan”)?
All they have to do, is say no.

the minute they got up dancing should have all been thrown out the case being rescheduled to get new jurys

 

[Miss Havisham]

the minute they got up dancing should have all been thrown out the case being rescheduled to get new jurys

Well, that does make the whole case sound like a farce.

I do imagine, that when it comes to the rich famous and influential being tried - there will be folk on juries who are more discreet, with nobody ever knowing or be able to prove that they could be influenced by them.

 

[Web30]

I doubt they were up having a party in the court room, I think anyone would find it had not to have a little seat dance to most music.
I didnt realise the documentary was played as evidence, surely they should have shown unedited footage that was concerning if they had to show anything related to Martin Bashier

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

I doubt they were up having a party in the court room, I think anyone would find it had not to have a little seat dance to most music.
I didnt realise the documentary was played as evidence, surely they should have shown unedited footage that was concerning if they had to show anything related to Martin Bashier

Really? You think anyone would find that hard during a child sex abuse case? So if you end up on the jury of a grape case but they play a little bit of MJ you’re gonna dance are you?

 

[Web30]

Really? You think anyone would find that hard during a child sex abuse case? So if you end up on the jury of a grape case but they play a little bit of MJ you’re gonna dance are you?

I think it would be hard not to move a little bit, I'm not saying it was right or that any one would be up partying.

 

[Midsummer Son]

I doubt they were up having a party in the court room, I think anyone would find it had not to have a little seat dance to most music.
I didnt realise the documentary was played as evidence, surely they should have shown unedited footage that was concerning if they had to show anything related to Martin Bashier

It wouldn’t be hard at all. An adult is perfectly able to not move an inch or “seat dance” to music in the context of a child abuse trial, the same way you wouldn’t “seat dance” in a job interview or any other remotely serious situation. Can’t believe I’m reading this…

 

[Tuesdaysdoll14]

I think it would be hard not to move a little bit, I'm not saying it was right or that any one would be up partying.

I genuinely can’t believe you. I just have no words at all.

 

[Web30]

I genuinely can’t believe you. I just have no words at all.

Thats fine. They were watching the documentary, yes its evidence for some bizarre reason but it sounded like a relaxed moment in the trail / court room from what was said