Michael Jackson

[Web30]

I think the backlash from the documentary caused a snowball effect. After all, the footage of Gavin resting his head on his shoulder was very alarming and MJ hardly came across as a stable adult in the whole thing.

Yes, just had a google and those clips are what made his school intervene.
The thing I don't get is with the dates, the "abuse" wasnt meant to happen till months after this was filmed and aired, when Michael invited the family back to neverland to get away from the press, why would he then molest him with all the speculation going on, it doesnt make sense.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

The film is being absolutely panned . Kinda disappointed but expected nothing less to be fair

Will be seeing in tomorrow. Used to be a huge fan in the 80s. Not been able to listen to him for years,since the allegations have tainted everything for me now. I do love a biopic though. I'll report back tomorrow night.

 

[Lanie]

I’m not worked up at all. I’m happy for peoples opinions as I am an all threads. No one has to agree.

The reason I mentioned Jimmy Saville was because someone said if a person is dead their alleged crimes should be laid to rest with them which I disagree with and as per your point here we’re all allowed difference of opinions.

Ps. 1000000% isn’t a thing. Max is 100% ? that’s tongue in cheek incase I have to clarify

I think all paedos should face justice, but I agree with they laying people to rest once they have died. The person is question cannot comment, confess or anything else, so the only thing the victim gets from continuing outing them is tarnishing their name, ( which may be what they want, but it's not going to effect the dead person) and will cause upset to their family. It's a hard one as I think more victims need to be heard but coming out after the person has died and claiming abuse happened is such a hard thing to prove and can result in the victim getting more and more abuse from the public who doubt their conviction. I knew someone who hurt me when I was younger and he died a few years back. When he died the relief I felt was in real as I knew he couldn't hurt people anymore.

 

[Upintheair83]

Watch also the Channel 4 ones for balance.

Or maybe the updates from the trial of 2005?... you can find online where he was tried in a court of law as any living American citizen is-you know, with a jury, a judge, evidence against him, evidence on his defence, victims testimony, eye witnesses. Not a documentary that is purely one sided with no defence, how is that fair in any way? Its like saying go and watch a documentary that is purely fan fiction of his innocence. I understand we need to hear what the accusations are, but at the same time it's hardly balanced. I hope you aren't called for jury service any time soon.
I can't stand the fans that protest his innocence all the time, completely blind sided and romanticising his music and legacy, but equally i think its unfair to believe every accusation sent his way when we don't have any evidence. This is why we have a justice system in place.

 

[Web30]

MJ's lawyer from the criminal trial has done an interview with 60 minutes. He believes that MJ is innocent and comments on the trial.

I saw that, found it intresting. The only bit that I wish he hadn't said was that he believes Bill Cosbys innocent and he defended him as well.

 

[Ivegone]

What I wish would come of stuff like this is people would stop worshipping celebrities. Love their output, their talent, but understand that these are strangers with their own closets full of skeletons.

I know that will never happen, but it's the only solution that really makes sense. I adorded Jackson as a child, being raised on Jackson 5 and his own music, I remember excitedly waiting for the big premieres of his videos Black or White and Remember the Time. Absolutely loved Moonwalker, minus the story parts because that's shit odd as hell. But he turns into a damn car and flies away! Loved it.

He got weirder as we got older, and the accusations came out and boy do I believe every bit. Neverland was a nightmare place and grown men are very often sick fucks. Still love his music, would be happy to never see his face again.

Yeah we do need to stop it. Some fans are so rabid and everyone shits and farts

 

[Ivegone]

Again it will be defended but I want everyone who does to answer this...if it came out Michael Jackson the plumber who lived down the street was having strange kids in his bed and tons of pictures of them half naked were found., would they rush to defend him?

Furthermore, would they let their own kids be alone with him.....it's funny the amount of supporters who swear he is innocent that either refuse to answer this or try and change the subject when asked because you know there is no way they would be fine with it but if they admitted that, it tells you all you need to know.

Supporters know this is all weird but it's part of the abuse he suffered as a child he thinks it's normal abused people think things that aren't normal arw. Why did the parents let this happen where we're they in all this hey letting their kids go round a strangers house

 

[twolipped]

The truth is so far buried under sensationalism at this point.

Very good point.

People will still insist that he was guilty based on what they’ve read and seen in the media. Never mind what happened in a court of law that found him innocent.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Because his behaviour was so suspicious (as well as abnormal) and he was very manipulative.
People will continue to talk about it, especially as information comes out over the years.

Perhaps not all of his accusers will be believed (and likely that some may be false), but many of them will be. Not all of them going to court - and some may never speak of it all.

Sexual assault (especially some time after the event) is sadly, very hard to prove. It’s a fact, that many cases don’t reach court - and if they do, proving guilt is not always straightforward.

If nothing has come out in 17 years,it ain't coming out now.

 

[Ivegone]

It's very dodgy from the parents who should have known better

Not victim blaming because you do all you cna to protect your kids so surely they are at fault allowing this
Now if he was poor would they have let him?

 

[Glaschelle]

According to the new documentary, he paid off a tomboy girl in the 1980s, he paid off the housekeepers son, he paid off Jordy Chandler, another boy was willing to testify but dropped out when Jordy wouldn't testify, there was the boy who appeared in the documentary that resulted in the criminal case and now Wade and James.

If this was the guy living at the end of your street, you'd be starting a petition to get him moved!!!

Man in the mirror is one of my favourite songs but I struggle to listen to it now.

 

[Libertine1975]

The standard of proof in a criminal trial is beyond all reasonable doubt. The jury had reasonable doubt.

I think having cameras and recordings of the bedroom if MJ was innocent of the abuse would open up another can of worms...

I feel that Michael was innocent but I also understand why people think he isn't. To me the stories of the alleged victims just don't add up and they have some shady behaviours around MJ (selling his underwear...seriously...it is totally fucked up).

 

[Prince fan 1999]

why would MJ beg young male fans to share his bed? beg their parents, pay them off with gifts.

MJ was enabled, he was a huge star back then with an entourage of enablers keen to keep his dirty secrets hidden.

I believe MJ was a paedophile. I was a big fan and went to see him in an amazing concert.

he shouldn’t have shared his bed with kids, he was proud of it, announcing how natural it was on more than one occasion.

Hiding in plain sight as they say...

 

[Youtubegossip]

Does anyone think Justin Bieber is an adult living with abuse as a child? He is def not right, and he was mixing in this rife world too when he was underage.

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...ley-Baldwin-admitting-hes-struggling-lot.html

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Justin definitely has issues but where they stem from who knows. He did go off the rails and fame got to his head a bit and he was doing a lot of substance abuse ( he’s admitted that as far as I know. But who knows if it goes deeper than just ‘not handling the fame’

Sadly many many child actors go absolutely off the rails or end up even worse and killing themselves or taking too many drugs etc

 

[Web30]

Someone who actually knew WR and the Casios.

https://medium.com/@d.karaty/michaeljacksonbetrayed-c9a9b773151b

So the girl involved had asked Michael to include her the same way he did her brothers when it came to hanging out, seems like she wants in on the story now. Also watching the interview her "abuse" happened at a time he was staying with the family and his own children were there. I dont believe any of them but her especially.

 

[White rose]

That's the first I've heard about Prince having vitiligo. I don't believe that's accurate.

Prince does have vitiligo. La toya also has the same condition.

 

[shellie]

The Cascio's have filed a lawsuit. I think this is the first time a girl has accused him.

Michael Jackson accused of child sex trafficking in new lawsuit

Edward, Dominic and Aldo Cascio and their sister Marie-Nicole Porte called Jackson a "serial child predator."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Reality_tv_lover]

In addition to the monetary benefits, they seemed starstruck and 'honoured' to be guests of MJ. I suppose they felt they had 'made it' by mixing with elites. Not that this excuses any of the parents.

Suppose it makes sense

 

[uwu]

Also, he wasn’t found not guilty he settled out of court to make it go away.

Well he was found not guilty in court twice.....

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Oh MJ was a raging nonce, just like Epstein, who had the finances, and power to buy people off. The actual shiver I get when you watch the Bahir interview and see him gleefully admitting to sharing a bed with a boy of 12 with cancer and talking in depth about it. Ugh. Those books of naked children the FBI found that he called “art”. Sick bastard. When you see about the court, the jurors jamming to his music etc as it’s played it court. It’s a farce

but the parents should’ve been accountable as well. Fuck pay outs, they should’ve been in trouble. At what point are you trafficking your own child by letting them sleep in a 40 year old man’s bed? Especially after previous allegations.

How about you watch some of the other documentaries instead of the Netflix one?