Michael Jackson

[Dexy]

yes bad people can be victimised, I agree. It’s just the questionable timing of it for both of the two accusers. Safechuck says he remembered he was abused about a month after the Safechuck family business got sued for millions of dollars. Wade Robson claims he suddenly remembered the alleged abuse a couple of weeks after he got dropped and replaced (by Jamie King) for the Michael Jackson Cirque de Solei show. Wade Robson is now asking for the public to make donations to his charity registered in Hawaii. The minimum donation used to be 250 dollars from what I remember.
I’m not saying the two accusers are lying. I don’t know. None of us do. Just factors to consider given the documentary was so biased and included none of this information. I had to look at the official court files to find this out.

Have you watched SquareOne? It’s by a guy ( not a fan) who studied the first case and it really shows you how the first allegation was handled and how many lies were put out by the media like he ‘ paid them off’ the legislation behind it. It really opened my eyes to how much bs was written about this man. I also read the court documents.

 

[Web30]

I've seen a lot of interviews and articles post this documentary..and I'm convinced it's all about money. Wade and James definitely lying. Hopefully the truth will come out one day and clear Michaels name x

I read an article and wades mum way back in the 90s said they all went to the grand canyon that first vist then went back to neverland for another weekend. No meantion of wade not being with them at the time.

 

[thejungleismassive]

I've seen a lot of interviews and articles post this documentary..and I'm convinced it's all about money. Wade and James definitely lying. Hopefully the truth will come out one day and clear Michaels name x

completely agree with this comment.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I don’t know how many children were there on each occasion - and neither do you. Likely on some occasions one child, on others more.

No, I don’t believe all of what the tabloids post and don’t believe that they are the gospel. I don’t believe much of what Michael Jackson said either. He was very manipulative and held a lot of power.
I don’t find any of it amusing, so don’t really get the laughing emojis.

Anyway,14 counts of not guilty so why are we still going on about it,17 years after his death FFS??

 

[Libertine1975]

MJ's lawyer from the criminal trial has done an interview with 60 minutes. He believes that MJ is innocent and comments on the trial.

 

[Littlemisslittle]

I think it’s all bullshit and you all need take a step back.. u know shit about any of it nor do I.. if some fucker said he’s just ate his shit and kissed his wife you would believe it just like some of these people saying they got abused. Stories don’t add up and why now? He prob slept in the same bed ect of some although that’s wrong in its self no matter who the child is but he didn’t have sex with them or masturbate as they stood there that cunt is a liar and u can see it and his mother to leave a child with him how she did if she did says a lot doesn’t it.. all fake and all u experts on here know fuck all like i don’t but just look at the people in the interviews it speaks for itself

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Shocking editing on the Netflix documentary. Surprised they are allowed to get away with it

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I can't listen to him anymore,and I was a HUGE fan. Used to get the piss ripped out of me because I love Prince too. Wasn't allowed to like both back then LOL.

I have a limited edition MJ opus sat in my garage that I have to try and sell 🫣

 

[ReginaPhalange3]

And you and I x

I think you and I have a similar opinion on the matter. I don't feel like he did anything but I can't also say he was innocent.

There are a lot of things that don't add up with the accusers and there are major credibility issues with most of them from what I have seen.

I try and look at a wide range of sources and not just things that defend MJ.

There is a clip with the 2005 accuser Gavin where he says about sleeping in Michael's bed and Michael does say that he (Michael) slept on the floor.

Ultimately we will never know for sure what did and didn't happen.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

The film is being absolutely panned . Kinda disappointed but expected nothing less to be fair

Will be seeing in tomorrow. Used to be a huge fan in the 80s. Not been able to listen to him for years,since the allegations have tainted everything for me now. I do love a biopic though. I'll report back tomorrow night.

 

[Lanie]

I’m not worked up at all. I’m happy for peoples opinions as I am an all threads. No one has to agree.

The reason I mentioned Jimmy Saville was because someone said if a person is dead their alleged crimes should be laid to rest with them which I disagree with and as per your point here we’re all allowed difference of opinions.

Ps. 1000000% isn’t a thing. Max is 100% ? that’s tongue in cheek incase I have to clarify

I think all paedos should face justice, but I agree with they laying people to rest once they have died. The person is question cannot comment, confess or anything else, so the only thing the victim gets from continuing outing them is tarnishing their name, ( which may be what they want, but it's not going to effect the dead person) and will cause upset to their family. It's a hard one as I think more victims need to be heard but coming out after the person has died and claiming abuse happened is such a hard thing to prove and can result in the victim getting more and more abuse from the public who doubt their conviction. I knew someone who hurt me when I was younger and he died a few years back. When he died the relief I felt was in real as I knew he couldn't hurt people anymore.

 

[Upintheair83]

Watch also the Channel 4 ones for balance.

Or maybe the updates from the trial of 2005?... you can find online where he was tried in a court of law as any living American citizen is-you know, with a jury, a judge, evidence against him, evidence on his defence, victims testimony, eye witnesses. Not a documentary that is purely one sided with no defence, how is that fair in any way? Its like saying go and watch a documentary that is purely fan fiction of his innocence. I understand we need to hear what the accusations are, but at the same time it's hardly balanced. I hope you aren't called for jury service any time soon.
I can't stand the fans that protest his innocence all the time, completely blind sided and romanticising his music and legacy, but equally i think its unfair to believe every accusation sent his way when we don't have any evidence. This is why we have a justice system in place.

 

[Ivegone]

He didn't have a childhood....that is something I don't get as an excuse because there are millions who went through the same or worse who didn't grow up to do what he did. It's as bad as the 'he was still a child/asexual' excuses when there is tons of evidence he was far from it. There are videos of him lusting after women and people talking about buying him porn etc which proves it was bullshit. Of course they then use that as an other excuse to proof his innocense like there havent't been countless instances of straight men married for years with kids being caught with CSAM containing just boys.


BIB - it's the saint effect that happens to everyone when they die. Diana is the perfect example. When she was alive she could be a right nasty cow. Even friends said she could be really vindictive yet the minute she died, people forgot she had flaws and could be nippy and decided she was a saint who was too good for us idiots. There are people out there who think the likes of Bundy, Dahmer and other serial killers were poor guys who just weren't treated right....it's mad but it happens.

jade goody too

 

[Web30]

MJ's lawyer from the criminal trial has done an interview with 60 minutes. He believes that MJ is innocent and comments on the trial.

I saw that, found it intresting. The only bit that I wish he hadn't said was that he believes Bill Cosbys innocent and he defended him as well.

 

[Ivegone]

What I wish would come of stuff like this is people would stop worshipping celebrities. Love their output, their talent, but understand that these are strangers with their own closets full of skeletons.

I know that will never happen, but it's the only solution that really makes sense. I adorded Jackson as a child, being raised on Jackson 5 and his own music, I remember excitedly waiting for the big premieres of his videos Black or White and Remember the Time. Absolutely loved Moonwalker, minus the story parts because that's shit odd as hell. But he turns into a damn car and flies away! Loved it.

He got weirder as we got older, and the accusations came out and boy do I believe every bit. Neverland was a nightmare place and grown men are very often sick fucks. Still love his music, would be happy to never see his face again.

Yeah we do need to stop it. Some fans are so rabid and everyone shits and farts

 

[Reality_tv_lover]

He definitely displayed red flags and id never have allowed him near my child...... but all of his accusers were weak grifters in my opinion.

I think k the same. Until it literally comes out video proof etc I think he was a weird weird man and I have two sons I wouldn't leave alone with him (wtf were these parents thinking) but I don't think he did anything but he shouldn't have had kids in his house bed etc and then he wouldn't have been accused
Didn't someone say he never really grew up because of the abuse from his dad? Kind of makes sense if he still thought he was young like the kids and nothing was wrong because kids have sleepovers it was very weird he is a weird man but I adore his music

 

[Ivegone]

Again it will be defended but I want everyone who does to answer this...if it came out Michael Jackson the plumber who lived down the street was having strange kids in his bed and tons of pictures of them half naked were found., would they rush to defend him?

Furthermore, would they let their own kids be alone with him.....it's funny the amount of supporters who swear he is innocent that either refuse to answer this or try and change the subject when asked because you know there is no way they would be fine with it but if they admitted that, it tells you all you need to know.

Supporters know this is all weird but it's part of the abuse he suffered as a child he thinks it's normal abused people think things that aren't normal arw. Why did the parents let this happen where we're they in all this hey letting their kids go round a strangers house

 

[twolipped]

The truth is so far buried under sensationalism at this point.

Very good point.

People will still insist that he was guilty based on what they’ve read and seen in the media. Never mind what happened in a court of law that found him innocent.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Because his behaviour was so suspicious (as well as abnormal) and he was very manipulative.
People will continue to talk about it, especially as information comes out over the years.

Perhaps not all of his accusers will be believed (and likely that some may be false), but many of them will be. Not all of them going to court - and some may never speak of it all.

Sexual assault (especially some time after the event) is sadly, very hard to prove. It’s a fact, that many cases don’t reach court - and if they do, proving guilt is not always straightforward.

If nothing has come out in 17 years,it ain't coming out now.

 

[Ivegone]

It's very dodgy from the parents who should have known better

Not victim blaming because you do all you cna to protect your kids so surely they are at fault allowing this
Now if he was poor would they have let him?