Michael Jackson

[KINGAA]

I watched it, it added nothing new at all. Just felt like a reminder that this thing potentially happened. I still cannot bring myself to believe either of them. They’ve lied waaaay too much and changed stories too many times. I don’t think MJ was innocent but Wade especially is dodgy AF.

I get the fact why it’s thrown out, MJ Productions is not and never was Michael is was his business to run his music and tours therefore nothing to do with the situation so suing that for the hundreds of millions they’re asking for is kinda pointless - esp as MJ was broke so where is that money coming from???? It’s like suing the whole company because of a CEO, when it should be the CEO. Of whom is dead and cannot defend.

what has never added up to me, is how the FBI watched MJ for years, tapped in on everything and found absolutely nothing, not a shred of evidence… it’s just odd!

 

[Web30]

I watched it, it added nothing new at all. Just felt like a reminder that this thing potentially happened. I still cannot bring myself to believe either of them. They’ve lied waaaay too much and changed stories too many times. I don’t think MJ was innocent but Wade especially is dodgy AF.

I get the fact why it’s thrown out, MJ Productions is not and never was Michael is was his business to run his music and tours therefore nothing to do with the situation so suing that for the hundreds of millions they’re asking for is kinda pointless - esp as MJ was broke so where is that money coming from???? It’s like suing the whole company because of a CEO, when it should be the CEO. Of whom is dead and cannot defend.

what has never added up to me, is how the FBI watched MJ for years, tapped in on everything and found absolutely nothing, not a shred of evidence… it’s just odd!

That's the thing with me, no evidence was ever found. Neverland was torn apart when the second accusation came out and nothing found to suggest anything had happened.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

why would MJ beg young male fans to share his bed? beg their parents, pay them off with gifts.

MJ was enabled, he was a huge star back then with an entourage of enablers keen to keep his dirty secrets hidden.

I believe MJ was a paedophile. I was a big fan and went to see him in an amazing concert.

he shouldn’t have shared his bed with kids, he was proud of it, announcing how natural it was on more than one occasion.

 

[KINGAA]

why would MJ beg young male fans to share his bed? beg their parents, pay them off with gifts.

MJ was enabled, he was a huge star back then with an entourage of enablers keen to keep his dirty secrets hidden.

I believe MJ was a paedophile. I was a big fan and went to see him in an amazing concert.

he shouldn’t have shared his bed with kids, he was proud of it, announcing how natural it was on more than one occasion.

It was either Mark Ronson or Culkin brothers that said he never shared the actual bed, his room was apparently like an apartment and had multiple bedrooms or something and the kids would sleep in one and him in another which was in another part or something and his security would be with him. I don’t remember which celeb said it or which doc it was said in or there was something like he’d actually leave and not sleep there - allegedly.

I think he was VERY stupid to do that and his team were careless to allow it to ever happen! Again, don’t think he’s innocent but I don’t think he’s fully guilty and clearly had issues. I think he was on the spectrum if im honest and didn’t fully comprehend he was a grown adult.

With Weinstein and Epstein it was very black and white with evidence so it’s just so bizarre to me that MJ’s case lack a shred of something, like nothing at all. Even the 2005 trial had next to nothing and Sony settled not MJ , he didn’t want to settle. It’s just not adding up, it’s what I can’t get my head around.

 

[Web30]

It was either Mark Ronson or Culkin brothers that said he never shared the actual bed, his room was apparently like an apartment and had multiple bedrooms or something and the kids would sleep in one and him in another which was in another part or something and his security would be with him. I don’t remember which celeb said it or which doc it was said in or there was something like he’d actually leave and not sleep there - allegedly.

I think he was VERY stupid to do that and his team were careless to allow it to ever happen! Again, don’t think he’s innocent but I don’t think he’s fully guilty and clearly had issues. I think he was on the spectrum if im honest and didn’t fully comprehend he was a grown adult.

With Weinstein and Epstein it was very black and white with evidence so it’s just so bizarre to me that MJ’s case lack a shred of something, like nothing at all. Even the 2005 trial had next to nothing and Sony settled not MJ , he didn’t want to settle. It’s just not adding up, it’s what I can’t get my head around.

He even said it himself that he would offer the kids the bed and he'd sleep on the floor. Think it was the basher interview.

This new show had nothing new in it info wise, nothing to make me change my mind about him, yes he didn't do himself any favours but I still believe he was innocent of what these two are saying.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

there are more alleged victims as shown in both documentaries.

there is a shroud over MJ still, his legacy lives on. his hardcore fans are devoted. who would face them by making claims public?

I wonder how many people would feel safe leaving their kids with MJ were he still alive today.

certainly an amazing and talented performer, but with demons and sinister tastes.

 

[samwilzrhcp]

Money talks, he was a peadophile.

 

[oatmealpieface]

He was a paed, the backbending fans will do to excuse him is wack. I loved a lot of his music, honestly I still listen to some of it, they are an undeniable indelible part of musical history. But I can still acknowledge he was a nounce. There is so much similarity in victim testimony. He groomed children and their families; I don't believe he nonced every child he hung out with (like Mark Ronson, mentioned above) but he would test them by eg exposing them to pronography and seeing what he could get away with and which children were more vulnerable or had parents he could fool. He had an alarm system set up so that if anyone approached his bedroom he'd have plenty of notice. His housekeeper warned people to keep their kids away from him. He was pictured with a never ending string of young boys who mysteriously stopped hanging out with him after a certain age. HE LITERALLY SAID WITH HIS OWN MOUTH HE SHARED A BED WITH KIDS. I would not be surprised if some of the details were inaccurate, some of Wade's words sound a bit off to me, but no matter the intimate details it is irrefutable he had sick and inappropriate relationships with children he groomed. He was a nounce. Occams razor.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

why would MJ beg young male fans to share his bed? beg their parents, pay them off with gifts.

MJ was enabled, he was a huge star back then with an entourage of enablers keen to keep his dirty secrets hidden.

I believe MJ was a paedophile. I was a big fan and went to see him in an amazing concert.

he shouldn’t have shared his bed with kids, he was proud of it, announcing how natural it was on more than one occasion.

Hiding in plain sight as they say...

 

[Glaschelle]

According to the new documentary, he paid off a tomboy girl in the 1980s, he paid off the housekeepers son, he paid off Jordy Chandler, another boy was willing to testify but dropped out when Jordy wouldn't testify, there was the boy who appeared in the documentary that resulted in the criminal case and now Wade and James.

If this was the guy living at the end of your street, you'd be starting a petition to get him moved!!!

Man in the mirror is one of my favourite songs but I struggle to listen to it now.

 

[RandomFrog]

The thing is though he was investigated very heavily I believe on numerous occasions yet nothing was found to even attempt to charge him.

If there was any truth to any of it wouldn't it have at least come out after his death? Like if it was a Jimmy Saville scenario he was protected by higher ups I mean

 

[shellie]

The thing is though he was investigated very heavily I believe on numerous occasions yet nothing was found to even attempt to charge him.

If there was any truth to any of it wouldn't it have at least come out after his death? Like if it was a Jimmy Saville scenario he was protected by higher ups I mean

There is confusion about the FBI investigating him with many thinking it was a year's long thing when it only happened for a year or so at a time (93-94 and 04-05) and it wasn't a solo FBI investigation and more of them giving assistance to the police during the years stated. So, while there was no 'proof' he did it in those years mentioned, there were many years he wasn't being investigated so it was possible he did do things he was accused of.

Surprisingly, many of his fans (the ones who don't think he was God) refuse to quote the FBI files when claiming his innocence as while some files were released, over three hundred were redacted and no one knows what was on them. Add that to everything that's come out the last few years about the FBI and how many were caught taking bribes at the time (many think he was tipped off about being watched), I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he threw money at them to look the other way.

According to the new documentary, he paid off a tomboy girl in the 1980s, he paid off the housekeepers son, he paid off Jordy Chandler, another boy was willing to testify but dropped out when Jordy wouldn't testify, there was the boy who appeared in the documentary that resulted in the criminal case and now Wade and James.

If this was the guy living at the end of your street, you'd be starting a petition to get him moved!!!

Man in the mirror is one of my favourite songs but I struggle to listen to it now.

The housekeeper has come out a few times saying she saw things. Of course, even back then she was called everything under the sun with many saying 'she took money to keep quiet so shouldn't be believed' not realising their Freudian slips when trolling her.

I'm one of those people who can't separate songs from artists and like you loved MITM as well as a lot of his earlier stuff like She's Out of My Life, Got to Be There and One Day in Your Life among others, squealing along to him as a kid thinking how talented he was. I was a teenager when he was first accused and that was when I started to step back from his music. It was too close as I had been abused myself for years and finally told just a few months before it all came out. After that, listening to them was always marred because I remembered what he did to the children which then brought back memories for me, and it was too much. It was the same with R Kelly, Aerosmith, Diddy, and any others accused of it. I'm not calling out those who can separate as it's none of my business but personally...no.

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

He was a paed, the backbending fans will do to excuse him is wack. I loved a lot of his music, honestly I still listen to some of it, they are an undeniable indelible part of musical history. But I can still acknowledge he was a nounce. There is so much similarity in victim testimony. He groomed children and their families; I don't believe he nonced every child he hung out with (like Mark Ronson, mentioned above) but he would test them by eg exposing them to pronography and seeing what he could get away with and which children were more vulnerable or had parents he could fool. He had an alarm system set up so that if anyone approached his bedroom he'd have plenty of notice. His housekeeper warned people to keep their kids away from him. He was pictured with a never ending string of young boys who mysteriously stopped hanging out with him after a certain age. HE LITERALLY SAID WITH HIS OWN MOUTH HE SHARED A BED WITH KIDS. I would not be surprised if some of the details were inaccurate, some of Wade's words sound a bit off to me, but no matter the intimate details it is irrefutable he had sick and inappropriate relationships with children he groomed. He was a nounce. Occams razor.

The fans are on a hiding to nothing trying to quote Mark Ronson as a defence because he himself said Jackson slept in Sean Lennon's bed and Mark slept on the floor.

Jackson was far less likely to predate the rich/famous kids he hung around with because they or their parents had a lot more money and power than the like of Wade Robson or the Chandlers.

 

[shellie]

The fans are on a hiding to nothing trying to quote Mark Ronson as a defence because he himself said Jackson slept in Sean Lennon's bed and Mark slept on the floor.

Jackson was far less likely to predate the rich/famous kids he hung around with because they or their parents had a lot more money and power than the like of Wade Robson or the Chandlers.

Most if not all the kids he picked came from poor & needy families and he wheedled his way in by grooming the parents as well by giving them gifts, holidays, money, and other stuff overwhelming them to make them think he was kind and not think anything of him taking the kids away without them being there. Then when they got too old, they and the parents were dumped, and he moved onto others.

I said in an earlier comment he secretly filmed the boys when they slept over and there are videos out there somewhere. I think even if they were released and it showed him doing what he was accused of, there would be some so obsessed with him they would still it wasn't true even seeing it with their own eyes.

 

[Upintheair83]

He definitely displayed red flags and id never have allowed him near my child...... but all of his accusers were weak grifters in my opinion.

 

[Reality_tv_lover]

He definitely displayed red flags and id never have allowed him near my child...... but all of his accusers were weak grifters in my opinion.

I think k the same. Until it literally comes out video proof etc I think he was a weird weird man and I have two sons I wouldn't leave alone with him (wtf were these parents thinking) but I don't think he did anything but he shouldn't have had kids in his house bed etc and then he wouldn't have been accused
Didn't someone say he never really grew up because of the abuse from his dad? Kind of makes sense if he still thought he was young like the kids and nothing was wrong because kids have sleepovers it was very weird he is a weird man but I adore his music

 

[shellie]

I think k the same. Until it literally comes out video proof etc I think he was a weird weird man and I have two sons I wouldn't leave alone with him (wtf were these parents thinking) but I don't think he did anything but he shouldn't have had kids in his house bed etc and then he wouldn't have been accused
Didn't someone say he never really grew up because of the abuse from his dad? Kind of makes sense if he still thought he was young like the kids and nothing was wrong because kids have sleepovers it was very weird he is a weird man but I adore his music

The Peter Pan theory has been used for years to defend him with fans saying there was no way he could be capable of harming anyone because he was sexless but those who knew him said that wasn't true. One assistant talked about having to get porn mags for him several times, his fetish being larger women and when they raided Neverland, they took several porn books that included lesbian sex as well as books where men women and children were either semi or fully nude. He was also filmed on more than one occasion saying sexist stuff about women's bodies.

Now, admittedly nothing here is salacious apart from the pictures of the naked kids. The rest however is typical of what a red-blooded man his age would be into. Add that to the fact that friends say the women he picked for his videos were women he was sexually attracted to, nearly every dance routine of his had at least one sexual move in it like holding his crotch, him talking about women flashing him at concerts and liking it...it proves 100% that the whole sexless theory so many believe just wasn't true.

 

[ToxicPony]

I don't think the Peter Pan theory holds any weight either when MJ clearly at least understood adult matters and sexuality and used them in his music and videos. Besides, if he was mentally a child then his fans were supporting the exploitation of him. Can't have it both ways - if he was so mentally impaired then why was he touring, doing business etc.

It's more likely that he had trauma from being groomed and SAd himself as a child in the industry and perpetuated the cycle as is often the case.

That all said, I still don't know how I feel specifically about Wade Robson. His story doesn't ring true to me.

 

[annanuttall]

I don't think the Peter Pan theory holds any weight either when MJ clearly at least understood adult matters and sexuality and used them in his music and videos. Besides, if he was mentally a child then his fans were supporting the exploitation of him. Can't have it both ways - if he was so mentally impaired then why was he touring, doing business etc.

It's more likely that he had trauma from being groomed and SAd himself as a child in the industry and perpetuated the cycle as is often the case.

That all said, I still don't know how I feel specifically about Wade Robson. His story doesn't ring true to me.

There are stories where the 'Peter Pan' image was just a smoke screen - basically behind the scenes he wasn't like that at all.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

Plenty of people have crappy childhoods with horrible abuse.

That’s no excuse to welcome and encourage little kids into your bed. Mostly male kids.

MJ had a type for his muses, he didn’t abuse all of them, just the ones he thought he would be able to.

Not all paedophiles will abuse all kids they have access to, there are carefully selected victims.

MJ’s abuse of kids was so normal he felt able to say multiple times how natural it is to share his bed with kids, under guise of Slumber Party.

Parents who were stupid or vulnerable enough to be paid off welcomed invitations from MJ for their sons to share his bed. Grooming takes many forms.

A CSA or SA victim always has a time when they feel strong enough to tell. There could be a trigger such as parenthood, other victims speaking out, a trauma.

The MJ force is big, and they have money to keep any negativity suppressed. The fan cult who will threaten and terrorize, are reasons not to speak out.

For sure there are other victims out there. MJ found young boys attractive. His marriage to LM was a sham. And he never had sex with Debbie Rowe.

Ugh.