Michael Jackson

[ToxicPony]

I don't think the Peter Pan theory holds any weight either when MJ clearly at least understood adult matters and sexuality and used them in his music and videos. Besides, if he was mentally a child then his fans were supporting the exploitation of him. Can't have it both ways - if he was so mentally impaired then why was he touring, doing business etc.

It's more likely that he had trauma from being groomed and SAd himself as a child in the industry and perpetuated the cycle as is often the case.

That all said, I still don't know how I feel specifically about Wade Robson. His story doesn't ring true to me.

 

[AlexTwist]

I used to like the BBC Four biopics they used to make of British stars like Hattie Jacques, Kenneth Williams and Fanny Craddock - and the one about the start of Coronation Street with Jessie Wallace as Pat Phoenix.

 

[Dexy]

No not watched. where would I find it @Dexy , sounds interesting

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

Culkin's family were already well off so MJ wasn't able to buy their silence. That's why he never did anything to him. He knew what he was doing. He was very calculated.

There's that, as well. Similarly with Sean Lennon.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

Totally a Savile situation.

 

[KINGAA]

I've almost never enjoyed any of these big biopics.

I couldn't get through half an hour of Elivs because it was making me feel like I was on an acid trip. I normally like the director but not here, and Tom Hanks was terrible from what I saw.

I didn't bother with the Whitney or Amy films because Whitney managed to find someone who couldn't look anything less like Whintey and the Amy one looked so so cheap and cringe.

I skipped the Bruce Springsteen one when it was said to leave loads and loads out including some of his best music. What's the point?

It's a genre I've largely given up on.

Same! I did love the Robbie one though, it was probably my fave move of last year… or whenever it was released.

 

[White rose]

He was a global superstar and lived a life that attracted interest, interest that was frequently capitalised upon.

Considering his lifestyle, and even the circumstances of his death - he is going to be talked about. All the more so, when his estate authorise movies, etc about him.

He will be talked about for years to come, alongside Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana John Lennon, etc. I don’t think we can just say, ignore all the negative sides of their lives because they are dead. Especially if there was controversy around their behaviour, when they were alive.

This is a forum to discuss famous people (dead or alive). If anyone is upset by the discussion content or posts - they can always report it to admins.

Who is upset? Me? I’m not upset I’m just putting my Opinions out there like you are putting yours. I respect your views so should work both ways. There is millions of people in this world and we can’t all agree with each other.

I have no reason to block anyone just because their opinion differs.

 

[KINGAA]

Still can't get away from the fact he let (mostly)young boys in his bed. Whatever the facts,this is wrong surely??

In square one, they mentioned his bedroom was like a house with 2 floors. I think one case mentioned where they slept in the bed Michael and another man, a member of staff slept on the floor. The man was there as a witness.

He did dumb things. I guess we’ll never know why.

 

[jenny265]

Apologies, I wasn’t meaning my post to read as defending MJ or paedos and could have worded it much better. I was only questioning the Bashir interview element of his story but that doesn’t excuse his abuse of so many.

 

[KINGAA]

Are you seriously saying we should absolve him of any wrong doing because he gives a lot of money to charity?! Maybe we should say the same about Jimmy Savile as well if we are going down that route?

Where did I say that? you've come to that conclusion.

I’m simply pointing out that a huge chunk of his estate will go to good causes which will be a good outcome for this biopic which is what that person was talking about?

 

[Handerton]

One thing we definitely know about the top level abusers is that like Weinstein and Savile, they consider themselves above the law and like to boast about what they do.

Jackson called his albums Bad, Dangerous, and Invincible.

 

[Dexy]

Also, why would leaving neverland trigger them and make them realise this had happened to others, yet the court case wouldn't. She said they were with him in Bahrain which is where he went after the court case.

Because the billion dollar movie wasn’t out then!

 

[Ivegone]

You can't throw around accusations because of a feeling you have FFS Jesus Christ

If you didn't listen to music because an artist had allegations you wouldn't have fuck all to listen to

Especially all the rockstar from the 70s and 80s with questionable relationships with groupies teenagers underage girls

 

[White rose]

Also - worth noting - he had immense power and wealth to make these things go away. Something none of the victims have. When you hear the words of his lawyer who is on the Megan Kelly show the other day his words were very brutal. If you were a victim even contemplating accusing Jackson, you would probably curl up in a ball and never dare speak of it after hearing him speak,,because he literally said he would crush them.


Plus you have all of his fans who are…… VERY dedicated to the cause, let’s just put it that way. I mean you’re going to have a force of reckoning whether the accusations are true or false. Most of them must know this. That isn’t going be easy money. They are going to have his fans on their backs like a monkey on their shoulder for the rest of their life.

Michael put himself in this predicament. You do NOT have small kids over for sleepovers when you are a fully grown man. Did Madonna have 5-10 year old girls over for slumber parties, dressing them up like her and watching The Labyrinth? No. She was partying and shagging lots of people because she was a grown adult woman.

Micheal Jackson was also rumoured to be “ shagging “ lots of woman to, his former bodyguard who I will add didn’t get paid for his work stated Michael had woman after woman, he said the hardest thing to do was to sneak them in. Michael couldn’t party, he’s was so famous that he was flocked by thousands where ever he went.

These are all money grabbing parasites.. you may think that is harsh but it’s true. Do you really think if there was no money to be had they’d be spitting these lies.. what’s Michael legacy worth now? 3.5 billion?

I hope these lawyers that are defending Michaels estate rip their lies apart, maybe they could chuck in a few acting lessons to.

 

[White rose]

I'd you are asking me whether I would tell an adopted person they are adopted if I knew and they didn't and they wanted to know, that would depend on the situation. Nothing will convince me they are MJs bio children but ofc I don't know as I don't know them and I don't know what they know about it all.

Paris prince and bigi have stated they are biological children of Michael, whether that’s true or not the children believe they are either way and it should be left as that. Blood or not Michael is their father

 

[AladdinSane]

Or maybe the updates from the trial of 2005?... you can find online where he was tried in a court of law as any living American citizen is-you know, with a jury, a judge, evidence against him, evidence on his defence, victims testimony, eye witnesses. Not a documentary that is purely one sided with no defence, how is that fair in any way? Its like saying go and watch a documentary that is purely fan fiction of his innocence. I understand we need to hear what the accusations are, but at the same time it's hardly balanced. I hope you aren't called for jury service any time soon.
I can't stand the fans that protest his innocence all the time, completely blind sided and romanticising his music and legacy, but equally i think its unfair to believe every accusation sent his way when we don't have any evidence. This is why we have a justice system in place.

This is the most balanced view I've seen. I dont know what happened and I'll never claim to think he's innocent or guilty. I'd like to think he's innocent but where there is smoke there is often fire.
I do often wonder about a couple of things though. One, surely if there was any proof, a jury would have convicted him? But also aware that is only relating to the 2005 accusations.
Two, these current lawsuits and the issues from Robson and Safechuck... they have admit they lied under oath. Surely that makes them not credible or there is a legal issue there?

Again I'm not saying whether I believe him innocent or guilty.

 

[Zozzat]

Have you watched the documentary itself though?

Yes I have x

I watched the documentary and I believed they had been abused. It's very convincing and upsetting. But I wanted to look into it further. There's a good documentary on YouTube called entering Neverland which is an eye opener. Wade is so shady. I just thought, Michael isn't here to defend himself and it's only fair I took a look at the other side x

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

The Cascio's have filed a lawsuit. I think this is the first time a girl has accused him.

Michael Jackson accused of child sex trafficking in new lawsuit

Edward, Dominic and Aldo Cascio and their sister Marie-Nicole Porte called Jackson a "serial child predator."

www.nbcnews.com

I believe there was a settlement paid regarding a young girl in the past. Her identity is not known, though.

 

[hehehe]

Another thing I've thought about the whole situation is, even some of the kids he befriended who support him to this day, all seem to say they lost regular contact with him once they grew up. Even if nothing sexual occurred, surely the concept of befriending kids, travelling on tour with them, being their best friend, then ditching them once they got too old, is abusive in itself?

This sounds more like the natural progression of life and would in large part have to do with the kids getting their own lives and other interests once they grew older, not so much MJ stopped calling because they got older. As kids they went to Neverland to jump up and down on bouncy castles and have fun. But teenagers won't be prioritising petting llamas, and MJ isn't going to help them write a CV to get a corporate job when they turned 20.

I doubt he was ever a best friend to any of these kids, I think that as adults they exaggerate their childhood connection to MJ for obvious reasons. By some accounts he was hardly ever there when sleepovers were happening and it was just kids running amok in his house. I think MJ found a safety blanket in having kids around and nothing more (which is also wrong, because kids are not supposed to be parenting some adult stranger).

 

[Ivegone]

I think it depends - on if they were convicted (or pretty much guilty without a conviction) and what they were guilty of.

But he wasn't ever found guilty of anything yes he was weird but why does it take a solid yes they've been guilty for someone to back off them and not just say he was accused therefore he's guilty

Justin and Blake how many people have called him names because of this and are still even though he did fa

How many people went off jonhnny depp and still probably hate him even though he was cleared

I said on the Ryan Reynolds page that celebs and men especially should be protected against accusations that ruin lives