The blood was madeleines not from someone who stayed there before, although there wasn’t enough markers in the blood to arrest the mccanns as the bleach had destroyed part of the dna. The same blood had traces left on the cat toy and the curtains. There was a pool of blood underneath some tiles. Kate had been seen in a supermarket buying cleaning products and the blood had been bleached over. The blood was also met with cadaver alerts which means it’s very unlikely to be from a nose bleed, but from something associated with death. There is no doubt in my mind it was madeleines blood. Possibly accidental, but the facts remain that the mccanns tried to hide the evidence of blood and spinal fluid belonging to their daughter, which makes them guilty in my eyes.
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I remember seeing this detective talk about them on YouTube once.
I cant find his other videos though.
But I found that link anyway. I never understood why at the very least the parents were not seen as neglectful.
Having left more than one kid is bad enough but then one goes missing?
Im baffled by that. They went to dine AND booze ABROAD on holiday leaving defenseless INFANTS!
Why no punishment for the pair of them for that wreckless choice?
However neglectful these parents were (and nobody here is disputing that) until Madeleine (or her body) is found then I'll still keep on the fence. Until the authorities that matter have enough to charge someone with her death, it's still all gossip and speculation.
Well yeah it’s a gossip forum 
Its not gossip or speculation that the parents should not be charged with being neglectful parents leaving them alone due to choosing to wine and dine.
That shouldve happened. A lesson to others not to do that.
Its not like they ran out of baby milk or food and went to get it for their kids they made a self indulgent choice to dine and socialise for their benefit.
Thats a fact right? That was established they left them to meet others for the night. They switched off from parenting their babies and toddlers and thats a crime as far as I know it.
Thats WRONG in anyones eyes to do that. As a pstent it is your job to care for your babies or get someone too.
It shouldnt have been overlooked.
Especially since the nightmare consquence which was no fault of a defenseless toddler who could be anywhere dead or alive all because of a selfish parental choice.
Made by BOTH of them!
BOTH in agreement to go out and dine and switch off from patental duties with no plan for a babysitter in place
I WILL judge them for that bit. Absolutely.
I never said they shouldn't be charged with being neglectful. I actually said that nobody is disputing the fact that they were. Because they absolutely were, they shouldn't have gone out and left those children alone.Its not gossip or speculation that the parents should not be charged with being neglectful parents leaving them alone due to choosing to wine and dine.
That shouldve happened. A lesson to others not to do that.
Its not like they ran out of baby milk or food and went to get it for their kids they made a self indulgent choice to dine and socialise for their benefit.
Thats a fact right? That was established they left them to meet others for the night. They switched off from parenting their babies and toddlers and thats a crime as far as I know it.
Thats WRONG in anyones eyes to do that. As a pstent it is your job to care for your babies or get someone too.
It shouldnt have been overlooked.
Especially since the nightmare consquence which was no fault of a defenseless toddler who could be anywhere dead or alive all because of a selfish parental choice.
Made by BOTH of them!
BOTH in agreement to go out and dine and switch off from patental duties with no plan for a babysitter in place
I WILL judge them for that bit. Absolutely.
Wow, I’ve never seen that before, and although I’ve always tried to keep an open mind on this case he does sound pretty convincing.
I remember seeing this detective talk about them on YouTube once.
I cant find his other videos though.
But I found that link anyway. I never understood why at the very least the parents were not seen as neglectful.
Having left more than one kid is bad enough but then one goes missing?
Im baffled by that. They went to dine AND booze ABROAD on holiday leaving defenseless INFANTS!
Why no punishment for the pair of them for that wreckless choice?
I thought so when I heard him.
He seems confident considering his position as an ex cop exposing the corruption.
I noticed him as a guest on Shaun Attwoods channel.
Please Dont take it personalI never said they shouldn't be charged with being neglectful. I actually said that nobody is disputing the fact that they were. Because they absolutely were, they shouldn't have gone out and left those children alone.
My anger is at that choice of theirs.
Just shouldve been charged or jail time or whatever for that choice. It needs to serve as a detterent for any other parent that thinks its ok to live their young kids at home alone.
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Pretty sure it’s because the Portuguese cannot upgrade/add to charges, they have to have the right charge at the beginning.
I remember seeing this detective talk about them on YouTube once.
I cant find his other videos though.
But I found that link anyway. I never understood why at the very least the parents were not seen as neglectful.
Having left more than one kid is bad enough but then one goes missing?
Im baffled by that. They went to dine AND booze ABROAD on holiday leaving defenseless INFANTS!
Why no punishment for the pair of them for that wreckless choice?
we can arrest and charge someone for something then add to it as an investigation continues but they can’t. Plus why should they only get charged for neglect when the real charges were concealment of a cadaver etc.
is it common knowledge about Kate not being allowed on her own with Madeleine? Was that just Madeleine or the twins as well?
Did she really want to have the girl adopted? Is there any proof of this?
I’ve seen most things in forums discussing MM over the years. Supporters of the McCanns do exactly that - and then post it all over Twitter or other forums with screenshots to discredit the forums.If you wanted to discredit these threads (which on the whole are sensible & thoughtful) sending in a wild spammer like chicken man is exactly what you would do no?
never trust a McCann supporter! I’ve seen them befriend people before then 'out' them on forums and even report them to their employers trying to get them the sack.
Me too. They couldn’t even see the apartment from where they were sitting because there was a Perspex side panel there as they were sitting under a marquee type structure. Also, if you stood the other side of the side panel you perhaps could see their apartment but NOT the room Madeleine slept in, that was the other side of the apartment!
they’re all such liars.
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Gerry’s sister used to post a lot of private information online during the early days of Madeleine being missing. She clearly didn’t like Kate because shementioned how she couldn’t cope with Madeleine, how Madeleine spent most of her time with other relatives, particularly in Donegal, and that she’d asked those relatives to take her on full time after the holiday. It was whooshed quicker than the hotel fridge, but there may be screen shots of it saved somewhere on the net. During the holiday there were comments about the friends having to supervise Kate so she wasn’t alone with the children. Possibly because she couldn’t cope with 3 toddlers, but could also have been for their safety if Kate wasn’t mentally well, one of those things we’ll never know for sure.
That's Jon Wedger I have followed him for years now.. He helps those abused by the system go back and tackle their demons and say goodbye to the children who didnt make it. here are his FB videos .. Sadly he is not good at headings, so I cant find those I wanted to show but if you scroll to the bottom and go from there you will find some harrowing stuff ( nothing to do with MM though)
I remember seeing this detective talk about them on YouTube once.
I cant find his other videos though.
But I found that link anyway. I never understood why at the very least the parents were not seen as neglectful.
Having left more than one kid is bad enough but then one goes missing?
Im baffled by that. They went to dine AND booze ABROAD on holiday leaving defenseless INFANTS!
Why no punishment for the pair of them for that wreckless choice?
https://www.facebook.com/protectchildren/videos
Here is his youtube
The thing for me is, why did the whole British media take the parents side, why did the British govement take the parents side, why did so many rich and famous people take the parents side? How could these neglectful parents who refused to answer the most simple questions have so many powerful people cheerleading them.
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The dogs were also sent into the apartments where the Tapas 8 were staying and didn't alert to anything.
It's a bit of a coincidence that blood was only found in the room where a child had gone missing.
They also alerted to Kates clothes that were all laid out in the community centre.
For dogs that they tried to convince people weren't trustworthy, they were definitely consistent
They claimed the Portuguese police had tampered with the case and set them up as they didn’t want to take responsibility for a missing child. In fact the PJ were spot on and the dogs were reliable as they’d been used to convict criminals on many occasions before. The main officer who saw through the bullshit was harassed and threatened, his dog was kid and his family threatened. He wrote a book about the facts which the mccanns took him to court for, they lost.
The British public believed and supported the mccanns based on the information they provided, so many people believe the facts of the case are rumours. As the blood didn’t have enough markers to confirm it was 100% madeleines blood, they couldn’t legally accuse them although it could not have been anyone else’s blood. It was enough for them to spend their life in prison if they were Portuguese citizens, but being British they left the country and were safe. They are still ‘arguidos’ (suspects) in Portugal, but our government prevented them being arrested. P rings are notorious for covering each other’s backs, those in government and power will protect ‘their own’ if it prevents them being taken down with them. Gerry was very cocky and assured he would be safe, to be that confident he had a hold on someone powerful who protected them imo.
The British public believed and supported the mccanns based on the information they provided, so many people believe the facts of the case are rumours. As the blood didn’t have enough markers to confirm it was 100% madeleines blood, they couldn’t legally accuse them although it could not have been anyone else’s blood. It was enough for them to spend their life in prison if they were Portuguese citizens, but being British they left the country and were safe. They are still ‘arguidos’ (suspects) in Portugal, but our government prevented them being arrested. P rings are notorious for covering each other’s backs, those in government and power will protect ‘their own’ if it prevents them being taken down with them. Gerry was very cocky and assured he would be safe, to be that confident he had a hold on someone powerful who protected them imo.
I think to a lot of people the dogs were a bit woo-woo (as opposed to woof-woof) and they struggled with what they actually did. All the dogs do is react to a smell they have been trained to react to. That’s it. They don’t know what the scent is, and to them that’s actually irrelevant. If what they are reacting to isn’t there any more and it’s just the residual scent, that isn't their fault … but I’m sure from what I saw at the time, people actually thought it was the dogs fault (or their handlers) that they reacted to something that wasn’t physically there. Even their handler said that without corroboration, the alerts were indications only.
Its like when they were used at Haute de Garenne … the dogs alerted and coconut shell was found. The press and various people tried to conflate to 2 into the dogs alerted to the coconut shell, which is completely misrepresenting what the dogs actually do.
Its like when they were used at Haute de Garenne … the dogs alerted and coconut shell was found. The press and various people tried to conflate to 2 into the dogs alerted to the coconut shell, which is completely misrepresenting what the dogs actually do.
That's Jon Wedger I have followed him for years now.. He helps those abused by the system go back and tackle their demons and say goodbye to the children who didnt make it. here are his FB videos .. Sadly he is not good at headings, so I cant find those I wanted to show but if you scroll to the bottom and go from there you will find some harrowing stuff ( nothing to do with MM though)
https://www.facebook.com/protectchildren/videos
Here is his youtube
The thing for me is, why did the whole British media take the parents side, why did the British govement take the parents side, why did so many rich and famous people take the parents side? How could these neglectful parents who refused to answer the most simple questions have so many powerful people cheerleading them.
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Absolutely agree.
Ive noticed avid supporters and they generally get very rude and abrupt even though you says FACTS like they should be charged with neglect.
You get your head bitten off!
FFS I never said they did anything to her (but have various theories of leaving 3 means thry mustve done it before! So it says more about them as )
Isaid they neglected 3 infants to CHOOSE A night out.
They couldve dined in and invited these friends over.
I get tearful thinking of 3 INFANTS alone.
Not 3 teens. 3 INFANTS!
Enrages me still.
More so when I think Maddy couldve been missing her family.
I also think the friends are just as bad as they all were ok with it.
I often wonder if they left their kids too?
3 kids were left to mind an apartment that is foreign to them. Another country.
Maddy mustve been scared
of being in an unknown place without your parents and repsonsible for 2 babies.
My ex was a Mason and said to me theres Masonic signs.
Protected?
Possible.
https://www.facebook.com/protectchildren/videos
Here is his youtube
The thing for me is, why did the whole British media take the parents side, why did the British govement take the parents side, why did so many rich and famous people take the parents side? How could these neglectful parents who refused to answer the most simple questions have so many powerful people cheerleading them.
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Absolutely agree.
Ive noticed avid supporters and they generally get very rude and abrupt even though you says FACTS like they should be charged with neglect.
You get your head bitten off!
FFS I never said they did anything to her (but have various theories of leaving 3 means thry mustve done it before! So it says more about them as )
Isaid they neglected 3 infants to CHOOSE A night out.
They couldve dined in and invited these friends over.
I get tearful thinking of 3 INFANTS alone.
Not 3 teens. 3 INFANTS!
Enrages me still.
More so when I think Maddy couldve been missing her family.
I also think the friends are just as bad as they all were ok with it.
I often wonder if they left their kids too?
3 kids were left to mind an apartment that is foreign to them. Another country.
Maddy mustve been scared
of being in an unknown place without your parents and repsonsible for 2 babies. My ex was a Mason and said to me theres Masonic signs.
Protected?
Possible.
One of the alarm bells for me was Kate leaving the twins when discovering Maddie’s absence. Logically it’s more difficult to abduct three children than one bit of you genuinely thought your child had been abducted would you really leave the other two whilst you alerted your friends?
As to the MWT theory that Maddie wandered and met some random unplanned fate, the parents were absolutely positive that she didn’t wander off. You have to wonder why? To me it suggests knowledge of the reality in the same way they started the fund and the talk was about it being necessary because they had to plan not just for the next month or so but the year ahead. How did they know she wouldn’t be found?
As to the MWT theory that Maddie wandered and met some random unplanned fate, the parents were absolutely positive that she didn’t wander off. You have to wonder why? To me it suggests knowledge of the reality in the same way they started the fund and the talk was about it being necessary because they had to plan not just for the next month or so but the year ahead. How did they know she wouldn’t be found?
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