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The Madeline disappearance will inevitably fuel all sorts of theories unless or until the mystery is solved. Personally I have no idea what happened. I think it is highly unlikely that her parents murdered her. But I do think there is a feasible argument to say that she met with an accident while they were out or, or as has been suggested before, they sedated her and she had a fatal reaction. They may well have decided on a cover up as their conviction would most likely see them lose custody of their other two children. I’m not saying this DID happen. Just that it is an explanation that cannot be unequivocally discounted.



Yes that is a fair point. I guess I was thinking , if she hadn‘t been left alone, the abductor would not have been able to take her. So that was the parents’ fault. But I see what you’re saying.
I can remember a quote from Gerry, something to the effect they felt the same guilt for not being there as they would have done if they had been in the next room … kind of implying that whatever happened was predetermined whether they had been there or not. Nothing they could do about it.

will try to see if its still knocking about.

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"I think it's fair to say that the guilt that we feel, having not been there at that moment, irrespective of whether we had been in the other bedroom or not, will never leave us," said Gerry McCann.
 
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I can remember a quote from Gerry, something to the effect they felt the same guilt for not being there as they would have done if they had been in the next room … kind of implying that whatever happened was predetermined whether they had been there or not. Nothing they could do about it.

will try to see if its still knocking about.

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"I think it's fair to say that the guilt that we feel, having not been there at that moment, irrespective of whether we had been in the other bedroom or not, will never leave us," said Gerry McCann.
It's like he's saying even if they were in the next room it would still have happened. Almost like he's saying it was inevitable no matter what they did.

It's a weird comment.
 
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It sounds like he couldn't think of anything nice to say about her apart from how she looked.
Yes, if I had to describe the children I looked after, I’d mention how bright, funny, kind, creative, artistic, interested in X/Y/Z they are. I might talk about how their eyes light up when we talk about Pokémon, their cheeky smile… If I needed to give a physical description, it would be their height, build, hair and eye colour and any distinctive marks ( freckles, a scar…).
I actually felt a bit sick reading the guy’s description of Madeleine, just something off about how he phrased things like she’s great fun to be with/we have a lot of fun together…
 
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I’m glad there’s some others on here who have had their eyes open to the truth and not just instant sympathy for two child neglecters.

that vile man who made the comment about Madeleine was known to the social services, as the mccanns did have a social worker soon after the ‘abduction’ and she was shocked/uncomfortable that he was part of the group. For confidentiality reasons she wasn’t allowed to disclose in what way he was known but for anyone who reads into this ‘man’ it becomes apparent. He made a comment about Madeleine at the dinner table which was heard by fiona’s mother who came along to babysit. It was sexual in nature.

as for the fridge comment (sorry can’t remember the poster) it did happen because Gerry himself wrote it on his blog. He was updating everyone with progress and said he’d replaced it as it was broken. He took it to a local tip and gave them a review for their help, it even stated the man’s name who helped him carry it. The fridge was full of rotten meat. Myself and many other people read that blog and saw it with our own eyes. It was removed when the PJ began to say he used it to transport Madeleine’s body.

don’t forget Kate’s only so called remorse was when she commented that if she could go back she’d turn the clock to before it happened and look out for the abductors. Now to me that’s odd because id say id go back and never have gone on the holiday at all to ensure my child was safe with me.
How anyone can defend them is shocking I really despair, it’s essentially victim blaming - Madeleine should have been asleep/home with her grandparents/someone else’s responsibility and not drawn attention to herself by a kidnapper because her parents were busy getting pissed and needed to enjoy themselves more than protect their babies, is basically what you’re saying by defending them. They do not deserve sympathy or kindness, their child is gone because they failed her massively.
 
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If Philpott had been a wealthy doctor he wouldn't have committed the crime in the first place. Like it or not, socioeconomic background is a huge factor in crime. He also had a record for violence and fraud, which is why he was a suspect from day one.
Doctors leave their children home alone. Go figure.

Katherina Gaspar’s statement is unnerving. It takes a lot of courage to come forward about someone in your social circle in that way.

And I find David Payne’s description of Madeleine utterly utterly creepy. 🚩🚩🚩
Who describes a 3 year old as beautiful? I mean I say it to my own 3 year old but surely you'd say cute or sweet, not striking and beautiful! He sounds like he's describing a woman!

Presumably the british police could only charge them with neglect committed in Britain?
I'm not sure about that. Because people get sent back to their home countries to be charged with crimes?
 
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I’m glad there’s some others on here who have had their eyes open to the truth and not just instant sympathy for two child neglecters.

that vile man who made the comment about Madeleine was known to the social services, as the mccanns did have a social worker soon after the ‘abduction’ and she was shocked/uncomfortable that he was part of the group. For confidentiality reasons she wasn’t allowed to disclose in what way he was known but for anyone who reads into this ‘man’ it becomes apparent. He made a comment about Madeleine at the dinner table which was heard by fiona’s mother who came along to babysit. It was sexual in nature.

as for the fridge comment (sorry can’t remember the poster) it did happen because Gerry himself wrote it on his blog. He was updating everyone with progress and said he’d replaced it as it was broken. He took it to a local tip and gave them a review for their help, it even stated the man’s name who helped him carry it. The fridge was full of rotten meat. Myself and many other people read that blog and saw it with our own eyes. It was removed when the PJ began to say he used it to transport Madeleine’s body.

don’t forget Kate’s only so called remorse was when she commented that if she could go back she’d turn the clock to before it happened and look out for the abductors. Now to me that’s odd because id say id go back and never have gone on the holiday at all to ensure my child was safe with me.
How anyone can defend them is shocking I really despair, it’s essentially victim blaming - Madeleine should have been asleep/home with her grandparents/someone else’s responsibility and not drawn attention to herself by a kidnapper because her parents were busy getting pissed and needed to enjoy themselves more than protect their babies, is basically what you’re saying by defending them. They do not deserve sympathy or kindness, their child is gone because they failed her massively.
Is that what she said? That is a bit odd. As you say, that wouldn't be my first regret. Surely you'd instantly berate yourself for not having been with them.

I don't agree with them not deserving sympathy, or at least, whilst I still have sympathy I understand your position on not feeling any if that makes sense.

I've said before that if I remove all emotion from it then I can logically follow their train of thought in that they felt them checking on the children themselves was better than the babysitting service offered and that as a group all the families were comfortable doing it and it was by all accounts a relatively common occurrence on this type of holiday.

However, it becomes harder when you consider how very young the children were and harder still if information like them going to a bar down the road is factored in.

I was actually thinking about this when I was on holiday at Easter. Only to a UK caravan site but two of my children asked if they could go and play in the park area whilst I remained at the entertainment club with the others. It was still light but heading toward dusk. I did allow it in the end for a short while but I really had to think about it. They are 12 and 8, so much older than Madeleine, we go to this site every year and I happily let them go off and play there during the day whilst I'm at the caravan which is much closer.

That led me to think about a hypothesised situation of going for a meal in the restaurant whilst they were back at the caravan during an evening/night. It is just something I wouldn't consider doing and certainly not when they were tiny. In fact it made me wonder why on earth it hadn't seemed so glaringly problematic to me before.

I still empathise with them, they've lost a child and I still believe they clearly felt comfortable doing what they did and felt confident their checks were sufficient. I still don't think they killed her or and I don't belive the hate toward them is necessary (not from people here, just in general) but my opinion has changed a bit. I was already a parent when she went missing so it's not that perspective that's changed. I suppose more just the application of those things to 'real life' situations in my own world provides an alternative perspective.

Sorry, my ramblings don't really say anything much. Has anyone else had similar opinion shifts?
 
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Is that what she said? That is a bit odd. As you say, that wouldn't be my first regret. Surely you'd instantly berate yourself for not having been with them.

I don't agree with them not deserving sympathy, or at least, whilst I still have sympathy I understand your position on not feeling any if that makes sense.

I've said before that if I remove all emotion from it then I can logically follow their train of thought in that they felt them checking on the children themselves was better than the babysitting service offered and that as a group all the families were comfortable doing it and it was by all accounts a relatively common occurrence on this type of holiday.

However, it becomes harder when you consider how very young the children were and harder still if information like them going to a bar down the road is factored in.

I was actually thinking about this when I was on holiday at Easter. Only to a UK caravan site but two of my children asked if they could go and play in the park area whilst I remained at the entertainment club with the others. It was still light but heading toward dusk. I did allow it in the end for a short while but I really had to think about it. They are 12 and 8, so much older than Madeleine, we go to this site every year and I happily let them go off and play there during the day whilst I'm at the caravan which is much closer.

That led me to think about a hypothesised situation of going for a meal in the restaurant whilst they were back at the caravan during an evening/night. It is just something I wouldn't consider doing and certainly not when they were tiny. In fact it made me wonder why on earth it hadn't seemed so glaringly problematic to me before.

I still empathise with them, they've lost a child and I still believe they clearly felt comfortable doing what they did and felt confident their checks were sufficient. I still don't think they killed her or and I don't belive the hate toward them is necessary (not from people here, just in general) but my opinion has changed a bit. I was already a parent when she went missing so it's not that perspective that's changed. I suppose more just the application of those things to 'real life' situations in my own world provides an alternative perspective.

Sorry, my ramblings don't really say anything much. Has anyone else had similar opinion shifts?
I too had sympathy for them in the beginning. I still sympathise that their child is missing and I don't think they had anything to do with it and that must absolutely torture them daily... how do you even begin to move in not knowing where your child is.
Then I became a parent. And that sympathy shifted. And now I just don't understand why they ever thought it was a good idea. Never mind abduction, tbf that would be the last thought on your mind, just what if they woke up, or fell out of bed. The twins in particular were so small. I still check on my kids when I'm at home with them. Then they tried to say everyone does it. Everyone does not.
Hands up, has anyone ever left their u10 home alone?
 
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Don’t get me wrong the sympathy I do have is for whatever poor Madeleine went through, for her only, and in general losing a child is the worst thing to happen to anyone so I’m sure if they do have a heart deep down they’re in constant pain over their loss, however I have no sympathy for them individually as they are responsible for whatever happened to her, whether it was by their hand or another they shouldn’t be acting like victims as they have done from day 1. As a mum myself I’ll never respect anyone who puts their child in danger.
 
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I too had sympathy for them in the beginning. I still sympathise that their child is missing and I don't think they had anything to do with it and that must absolutely torture them daily... how do you even begin to move in not knowing where your child is.
Then I became a parent. And that sympathy shifted. And now I just don't understand why they ever thought it was a good idea. Never mind abduction, tbf that would be the last thought on your mind, just what if they woke up, or fell out of bed. The twins in particular were so small. I still check on my kids when I'm at home with them. Then they tried to say everyone does it. Everyone does not.
Hands up, has anyone ever left their u10 home alone?
The answer to your question (from me) is no I never have and nor would I ever consider it.
 
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I too had sympathy for them in the beginning. I still sympathise that their child is missing and I don't think they had anything to do with it and that must absolutely torture them daily... how do you even begin to move in not knowing where your child is.
Then I became a parent. And that sympathy shifted. And now I just don't understand why they ever thought it was a good idea. Never mind abduction, tbf that would be the last thought on your mind, just what if they woke up, or fell out of bed. The twins in particular were so small. I still check on my kids when I'm at home with them. Then they tried to say everyone does it. Everyone does not.
Hands up, has anyone ever left their u10 home alone?
Like I said earlier, I stayed at the same resort the year before Madeline’s disappearance. So I know exactly where the Tapas Bar and their apartment were. They were not that close so I find it absolutely incomprehensible that any parents would think it was ok to go to that Bar for the evening while leaving three very young children all alone in an unlocked apartment that was nearly 200ft away from where they were sitting and to which they had no line of sight. Everyone most certainly does not do that and those who do are guilty of neglect.
 
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Like I said earlier, I stayed at the same resort the year before Madeline’s disappearance. So I know exactly where the Tapas Bar and their apartment were. They were not that close so I find it absolutely incomprehensible that any parents would think it was ok to go to that Bar for the evening while leaving three very young children all alone in an unlocked apartment that was nearly 200ft away from where they were sitting and to which they had no line of sight. Everyone most certainly doe not do that and, those who so, are guilty of neglect.
It wasn't close .I remember someone videoed the distance for a TV show it was startling to think you'd leave children alone at that distance ,and on a road .
 
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'Feeding their bellies was more important than their children'. No you're right, you've been really sympathetic and supportive, my mistake.
But it was more important THEY LEFT THEIR CHILDREN no one made the McCanns walk out and leave their three baby kids.
 
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What I always found sad was they were putting the kids in kids club all day then picking them up and leaving them in the apartment in the evening. Why go on holiday with your children when you clearly don't want to spend time with them?!
 
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It wasn't close .I remember someone videoed the distance for a TV show it was startling to think you'd leave children alone at that distance ,and on a road .
I watched the Netflix program and it seemed like it was pretty far away. My mum left my brother and me ( aged 8 and 10/11) sometimes during the day, for a couple of hours, tops. I think one of my sisters had an activity and it was too far for my mum to go, drop her off, drive home and stay for a few minutes before having to drive back. There were no mobile phones back then, in the early 90’s, so if there was a problem, we could call one of our neighbours. Luckily we were both super sensible, risk averse children and we just read, drew, watched TV or did homework.
 
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What I always found sad was they were putting the kids in kids club all day then picking them up and leaving them in the apartment in the evening. Why go on holiday with your children when you clearly don't want to spend time with them?!
That's what I wonder also, their kids were just an inconvenience to them.

I also can't understand why they didn't just take it in turns to babysit, one adult with all the kids would've been much better than what they actually did.
 
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What I always found sad was they were putting the kids in kids club all day then picking them up and leaving them in the apartment in the evening. Why go on holiday with your children when you clearly don't want to spend time with them?!
That’s one of the things I find really puzzling about the McCanns. Given that they went through IVF ( a difficult and pretty unpleasant process particularly for the woman) to have their kids, you’d think they might be even more protective of them than some parents and want to spend lots of time with them. But the opposite seems to have been true.
 
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That's what I wonder also, their kids were just an inconvenience to them.

I also can't understand why they didn't just take it in turns to babysit, one adult with all the kids would've been much better than what they actually did.
There's a lot of options that would have been better than what they did. We've always let the kids have an afternoon nap on holiday then stay up late. Or put them to bed and chill on the balcony. They didn't want the kids interfering with their tapas and wine!
 
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My daughter is left at home for a little while during day time hours only (she’s 14!). She was invited to a sleepover at the weekend where the mum told me they wouldn’t be in. They were away for the weekend but the neighbour is good. Erm…I was horrified. I would never ever leave my daughter alone over night at 14 and definitely not for a weekend while I was at the other end of the country.
 
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