This is the crux of it to me and makes me sick to my stomach. Yes, his guilt must bleeping suck, but he still gets to live a life. Those babies didn't get any chance at all and maybe they could have if he did more. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I don't think I could live with myself knowing
I would just say if I’m allowed to share my opinion - this is the worst thing you could ever have to admit and in a court of law, in front of the babies parents. I should have done more. Absolutely anything would be preferable to this, any mistakes, any failings, staff shortages. Any idea that the docs are working with each other to remember mottling retrospectively to fit LL for things or because they’ve been influenced to think so is just absolutely blown out the water for me personally. They’re saying we knew something was odd, we knew things were unusual, we weren’t listened to but we should have done more. Heartbreaking all round!
You’re right, I don’t think he’s lying, all of this makes him look bad and will definitely affect his career now. I think people are just incredulous because if LL did murder the babies, he could have stopped her. If I were one of the parents, I don’t think I could forgive him, but I guess we’ll see what else comes to light and what other actions he took.
Well no it’s not good enough, but I’m struggling to understand why it might mean he’s lying - wouldn’t it be easier to just pretend you had no suspicions and be as shocked as everyone else?
Oh too right. An absolute disgrace from start to finish.
I think she'd worked at Liverpool Women's Hospital and finished her training at Chester and stayed there. I'm sure I've read that.
I don’t think it casts a shadow of doubt on her guilt.
Has she worked since?
She worked at the Chester hospital for 7 years, 3 were as a student. I think she went to Liverpool for the extra training they’ve mentioned.
I'm sure once she qualified she did a stint at Liverpool Women's (possibly to get her QIS) then moved into COCH, moved to admin then arrested and will of been suspended. Don't think she's moved around too much
Yes totally agree. You’d be furious that people suspected someone of harming your baby but did nothing or not enough to protect them or further babies . I do think others should be held accountable but that won’t come until after the case.
I don’t think it casts doubt on her guilt at all, i think it strengthens the case. I know he didn’t do enough but the fact her colleague did suspect her of being involved with these babies that collapsed and/or died just backs up how unusual and unexpected these collapses were and that she was often found on her own with them just beforehand.
It’s just not plausible that he did raise concerns
Yeah can we not lay the blame at his feet. He seems to be getting more rage than her herself and I don't think that's fair.
There will be a paper, or electronic, trail of the concerns he raised.
Could he mean a private off the record conversation in which he raised concerns?
Because I could understand if someone thought (only going off what we know so far) that rather than murdering babies she was an inept/dangerously bad staff member working amongst a sea of other incompetent and unbothered people who also weren’t willing to do their jobs properly.
To management? I think I’d make sure there was an electronic trail for that.
I don’t know when he’s saying he raised them but even if it was after child B or after child K, he’s saying he raised concerns but they were dismissed by bosses. I find that plausible because whether this was negligence or murder, it’s pretty obvious the bosses didn’t do enough until child Q.
Don’t make a fuss doesn’t sound very on the record to me
