It’s implied by the prosecution but it doesn’t actually say what he was thinking, it says he was starting to notice the coincidence it was always Lucy and had concerns.
Half of my family work for the NHS, so while I may not have direct experience, I still have a decent understanding of the culture. Still doesn't change my mind. I accept some might find that savage, but it is what it is.
See I was going over this in my mind, there are a few conflicting bits for me.
He had suspicions but no evidence though, he'd be the one removed from the ward perhaps even his post if he did that. Have seen it a few times myself, people raise concerns about x and they're not taken seriously, they are dismissed as being bullies, and the person who reported is driven out. Its a big, big, big problem in many settings and part of the reason people leave in droves- I left myself because I tried to fight the system and make it better and safer for patients and colleagues but its impossible to be honest. I have no idea of course what the culture was like there or how often and to who he reported, but it sounds like he is the same doctor who pushed for her to move shifts so assuming he didn't just say alright I won't bother. Especially given his level at the time for it to get anywhere it would have relied on support from his superiors which it seems he didn't have. Sad all round.
The mottling was documented on baby B. Which was the next night.
It still isn't good enough though is it, babies have died, that could have potentially been avoided. You put your trust in these people and while no, you can't foresee some potentially meglomaniac murderous nurse, you should at least be able to trust that anyone who gets even a whiff of an idea something like that could be going on, they'd fight tooth and nail for your child. My son was in SCBU earlier this year, so maybe it's emotional bias (to an extent anyway, I'd still essentially feel this way), but ultimately I believe every single person who allowed this to happen, either directly, or by negligence, cowardice, whatever, has a role to play in the deaths of these babies. You trust a team not an individual, even if Lucy is found guilty, there is so much more to this and so many people who failed those poor sweet children. His hindsight unfortunately doesn't do a thing.
Has he been referred to the GMC? Will they wait until the end of this trial to investigate?
No idea - not seen anything reported, but he should be referred for that so that he can take learning from this on how to appropriately raise and act on concerns and what to do when you’re still not satisfied your concerns are being listened to. This trial shouldn’t prevent or hold back any referral to the GMC. All who fobbed off concerns should be investigated. It’s risking patient safety that’s ultimately resulted in death.
I agree it's not good enough, just personally I don't feel its all on him- much wider issues at play by the sound of it.
I totally agree actually, you’re right. This is exactly the kind of thing they should have been doing. I wonder if we’ll see any evidence that people did go through these avenues. I hope so for their sakes
I just still feel so awfully for them but I appreciate others won’t share as much of that sentiment. xWell it's quite obviously not all on him, I don't think anyone would argue that. One thing's for sure, this whole thing is an absolute disgrace and I don't think any of us envy the role of the jury.
But to me it doesn’t matter what he suspected, as the outcome was the same. Like whether he thought she was a murderer or incompetent, he realised that babies were dying and he didn’t take it further.
He did take it further. Obviously nowhere near far enough.
To me it seems clear that he didn’t suspect mistakes I’ll probably work out why I’m wrong later lol.
No I agree. It’s just someone said he believed ‘someone was murdering babies’ and didn’t take it further. I presume that would mean he should have taken it to the police. Whereas if incompetence/negligence then who if his bosses were ignoring him - which I asked about and people have since said GMC.
