Lucy Letby Case #9

[blockbaby0]

Right, I'm going to add my two-cents. I'm a Nurse, but work in a completely different sector. This is just my personal opinion....

First things first, I believe that Lucy is guilty. Straight up guilty, however I do not believe that this case is as black and white as what people think it is.

The NHS is a very corrupt organisation and many other people who have worked or work for the NHS say the same. There is so much negligence, abuse of power, bullying etc the list goes on, of course the NHS isn't the only corrupt workplace out there, but you get my drift.

Some of the most cruel and evil (maybe even borderline Narcissistic) people that I have ever had the misfortune of working alongside have been nurses. I've seen student nurses run off the ward in tears because her "mentor" has shouted and screamed at her, or even bullied her. Again the list goes on. Now I'm not trying to discredit nurses. We're all in this shit together and 90% of us do our very best, but that 10%? F*CK ME. (I'm trying to build a picture here, bare with me)

I have seen so much negligence I am surprised some Trusts are still running. I have seen Nurses make such shocking Meds errors it is a surpise they still have their pin and on MULTIPLE occasions too, but because places are so short staffed(a similar factor on Lucy's ward) higher management just turn a blind eye. Plus, who wants bad publicity in the press? And God forbid that negative CQC report that may come through, so they'll keep the negligent and incompetent staff just so they look "better" and don't lose staff.

I have seen Nurses come into work under the influence of .... (let your mind run wild) but because certain staff members have a face that "fits" they're gently "suspended" until the dust blows over and then they return back to work like nothing has happened. Again, management turn a blind eye.

The point I am trying to make is, I would not be surpised if Lucy took advantage of all of this and I also would not be in the slightest surprised if other members of staff were aware of something sinister going on. Were they aware it was Lucy specifically? Who knows, but I bet my leg that the staff on the ward were aware of the mortality rates increasing and it got to a point they could no longer "hide it" or blame it on "staffing levels" or whatever bollocks reason the Trust will give.

The NHS will not like this negative press, especially when it involves the most vulnerable members of society(babies) of course they have enough evidence against Lucy, it wouldn't have went to court otherwise. She was a bad Nurse on a bad ward and this is just a recipe for disaster

I have seen some Negligence in my life, I have even whistleblowed, but what I haven't seen is such a massive and sudden rate in deaths in a very short period of time.

 

[xoxo GG]

This thread is literally being spoilt by the same arguments all the time. I really enjoy reading what everybody has to say and all the theories etc. But most of the pages are just catty swipes about what others think.

 

[LittleMy]

Just had a gander at a few of the FB groups/comments and people are jumping on each other for the least thing.

I know we’ve had our differences but it’s nice to see the sniping has reduced massively here. I enjoy following the discussions and hearing everyone’s thoughts.

 

[jackolantern]

When you sit and really think about the very real potential she is guilty, fuck me it shakes you to your core. The fact there could be someone out there so evil they would murder this many babies, I just can't even comprehend. It's absolutely terrifying. One of the worst things I've heard in my life tbh.

 

[friedeggontoast]

The thing I keep coming back to is that in some of the deaths (eg. the insulin poisoning) there is no doubt that someone had deliberately tampered with the baby to harm them.

Therefore someone working on that ward has to be responsible.

Both with evidence, witness accounts and statistics LL is the most probable suspect by a huge amount.

In the cases of child A and B, I can see that the evidence is not overwhelming so far. However as we proceed through the case I think that will change drastically.

 

[candyland_]

For god sake. Every time I read this thread there’s more sniping and it’s making the thread go downhill fast.

 

[Windowtothewall]

So what I've understood so far is that the prosecution thinks Child A was deliberate administration of air by LL because:

• Dr Dewey said it was deliberate - consultant from Swansea
• Dr Bohin said it was deliberate - consultant from Guernsey and Bristol
• Professor Arthur said it was deliberate -consultant from London
• The doctor and lead nurse both said there was an unusual blotchiness they'd never seen before. Dr Dewey and Dr Bohin said it could only be caused by administration of air.

The defence's only explanation so far for the air in abdomen is that it could be caused by:

• CPR - doesn't explain the blotchiness though as CPR is a common process and someone would have seen this rash before and the experts would have raised this
• Long line - doesn't explain the blotchiness though as long line is a common process and someone would have seen this rash before and the experts would have raised this
• Post mortem causes - doesn't explain the blotchiness happening before the post mortem started

So basically the defence so far, have no feasible alternative to the 3 medical experts' testimonies.

 

[AlanBanan]

Personally I avoid fb for cases, the star trial sealed that for me

The Star Hobson trial was horrific and the way people behaved on Facebook was mortifying. They were telling their children about Star. What type of parent are you for telling your children about a baby who was systemically failed and abused throughout her entire life and then battered to death? It was disgusting

It was literal misery porn for those people, they were putting pictures of Star on their Christmas Trees, telling everyone how they left a present under the tree for Star, setting off balloon releases, constantly telling everyone how they’d never do such a thing and how they’re cuddling their child right now. They even had their own children singing songs for Star. They were genuinely happy every time a new piece of evidence regarding was brought up in court because it was a new thing for them to talk about. They are sickos.

It was an awful situation and people loved to make it about them and basically used the entire case and ordeal as an excuse to show how “caring” and “empathetic” they are. But in reality everything was just for likes and attention.

 

[EllsBellsWells]

So what's the point in sharing it? This case is difficult enough as it is to follow without sharing totally irrelevant and more that likely made up stuff

Dont want to be rude but surely you could say that about every single thing we all post? We’re all speculating, none of us have seen what the jury have seen and are sharing stuff/views/opinions with a lot of missing info.

There’s been loads of stuff shared on these threads that’s not true. Got to take everything with a pinch of salt and try and get a balanced view. I’d rather see stuff and make my own mind up than people feel they can’t post at all.

 

[Milktray]

You can't catch sepsis but you can catch infections which may lead to sepsis so unsurprising to have a rise in a poorly performing hospital.

Yes, this is the situation with us. Our LO died with sepsis caused by a gram-negative infection.

He had been in hospital for a long time and was due to come home but he had caught an infection in hospital which hadn't been picked up on or treated.

He had gone from a mixed ward into a side room with very little interaction (long term patient). Hadn't been put on a catheter or had blood pressure checked etc...he was basically in residence on low priority care. His kidneys had already failed before they picked up on it.

Then the hospital washed their hands of it and transferred him to another hospital, who contacted us asking what had happened. We didn't know!

Needless to say, he died. We didn't even get to the hospital on time.

It was such a rapid deterioration and we still don't know what happened, i.e what infection etc or why he was transferred. The 2nd hospital was gentle and gave an explanation, they were fantastic. But we always thought poor care by the 1st hospital was a factor, but I try not to focus on that.

 

[nothinonyou]

voted guilty on every other thread, first thread I've voted unsure

 

[freaknasty]

Just found this on fb

Yes I’m sure Emily’s mother on Facebook knows more about the victims than the medical professionals testifying today.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

They’re not leaning towards guilty in the fb group I’m in. You’re even getting: Pray for Lucy .
I suppose I should change groups before I get another stint in fb jail

 

[jackolantern]

The lack of evidence with the bruising/rash is definitely concerning. For them to be making such a song and dance about it and how unprecedented it was but not have one single photo? They are looking negligent at best and downright liars at worst and I think she's guilty - so this isn't going to do them any favours with those who need convincing.

 

[Tofino]

Mark Dowling I apologise for ever criticising your reporting, please come back! You are definitely missed today!!

 

[crumpets2]

Just found this on fb

Sepsis itself isn’t contagious. It’s caused by an infection which some could spread to others.

 

[Deeznutslol]

I’m probably in a minority here but I’m so glad it isn’t televised tbh. End of the day this is a murder trial, lives have been lost and families have been left heartbroken. Ik the sporadic reporting is annoying but I just think having it filmed would just seem sick to me

 

[just_nicole]

Not aimed at anyone directly, because I know there are a few people involved in this conversation at the moment.

Defence has already stated there are collapses that have happened when Lucy wasn't present, they've also stated she has been called in to look after certain babies while they've been having difficulties.

(Obviously this is very exaggerated for the purpose of this post.)

If a baby had had instances close to collapse, or even has already had a collapse.

Lucy gets called in because of her position in the unit or allocated that baby when on shift.

Baby suffers a further collapse and recovers does that equal an attempted murder charge?

Or, doesn't recover, is that now murder? of course you'd need to have that information.

You'd also need to know why that event or collapse, was different to the others that may have happened prior.

Both sides have openly admitted the care was sub optimal.

So yes, it's fully acceptable to question, wether that was a factor in what happened with these babies.

The hospital aren't on trial, but their failings aren't above question. Without questioning the care you can't gather if this woman is guilty or innocent.

Similarly with the witnesses statements, half of the people speaking in court, could be the people who provided the poor care in the first instance.

That will also probably be highlighted in court by the defence.

Justice for the family doesn't mean giving them any answer, it needs to be the right answer.

Sorry went on a total tangent then, hopefully at least some of it makes sense.

 

[Windowtothewall]

So we now have the doctor and the nurse (who was shift leader, does that make her senior?) saying about the skin discolouration. That makes the absence of his notes on it less of an issue.

I’m really on the fence about the presence of other people in the room. It’s hard to believe someone could be so bold but at the same time, if someone is in the mindset of wanting to harm babies then who knows what they are capable of and how much of a risk they are prepared to take. We know at the point he started to collapse she was on her own at the incubator because the handover nurse was at the computer.

I’m presuming it’s possible she had her back to people or they had their backs to her, or engrossed in other things. I’m surprised none of that has been questioned (or covered in reporting) although I appreciate it would be hard to remember. I have no idea how noticeable it would be to administer the air even if people were nearby, if that’s what she did at that point of time.

If you liken it to a pickpocket (not remotely similar crimes, but similar because they are "stealth" crimes) - a pickpocket operates best in a crowd. Hide in plain sight when people are less likely to notice or question.

 

[Lht30]

Just catching up on today, so apologies if this has been talked about.
My husband is a hospital pharmacist so knows a little about TPN bags. These are prescribed by the doctor, the prescription before it even leaves NICU will be checked by the pharmacist specialising in Neonatal/paeds. After that the prescription is sent to the Aseptic dispensing unit ready to be prepped. The prescription gets printed out & a technician will gather up the components for the TPN. Before anything is made up this is then checked by the pharmacist again. At this point the pharmacist is checking the correct medications, batch numbers (incase something has been recalled by the manufacturer) & expiry dates. After the TPN is made up by the technician, it's checked & signed off by the pharmacist one final time. He says it is of course possible for the TPN bag to be sabotaged but in terms of there being a dispensing error this is highly unlikely as it has been checked 3 times, 2 of those being what HCP call 'fresh set of eyes' i.e checked by 2 different pharmacists.
He acknowledges that errors are made but the majority of 'near misses' (someone actually ending up with the wrong prescription) are stopped at the second check before reaching the patient. NHS hospitals are staffed with Acuracy Checking Technicians (ACTs) whose responsibility is to just check for errors but like everywhere there is a shortage of staff & it is consistently busy. Interestingly when the junior doctors start their hospital training in July/August more pharmacists are deployed to hospital trusts as mistakes on prescriptions & in prescribing medications are at their highest.
Hope this helps clear up some questions.