Lucy Letby Case #68

[slingo16]

Apparently tattlers are childish, schoolyard bullies!!

who said that!? I’ll take their fucking dinner money

 

[Ridandroo]

Seen someone on that FB group saying something along the lines 'guilty or not guilty being sent to prison for life at her young age is overly cruel and harsh'.

Honestly baffles me how ridiculous people could be and very concerning that they could end up on a jury one day themselves 🫣

Yeah, because murdering babies isn’t cruel or harsh is it.

 

[Tofino]

I put money on it that Letby's mum has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Everything @nosycowmoo has described from court screams this, but I thought it from the moment I heard she wailed when her daughter was sentenced.

Spoiler: Narc Parents

If you have a Narc parent specifically a mother you will recognise that wail and shreaking... I swear I could hear it myself.... they cannot cry normally... it's always a show and it is always just never quite right as it's an imitation of emotion.

By extension I firmly believe Letby is one herself, her behaviour has always not just been psychopathic to me. It doesn't happen to all children with a parent like that but if Letby was born not wired right to begin with and then had that as a parent.... well then you have the perfect environment for a Narc to be created and as it turns out, a serial killer. A perfect storm...

Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers: What You Need to Know

Narcissistic mothers have a profoundly damaging effect on their daughters, inflicting serious psychological trauma on them as they grow up.

www.carlacorelli.com

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Yes this crossed my mind too as I’m also a daughter of a narcissistic mother so can see some signs of that in Susan Letby. I actually thought this very early on in those messages we heard from Lucy about her parents being suffocating etc and why it also frustrated me when people said Lucy had an uneventful and happy childhood with loving parents. Childhood emotional neglect such as having narcissistic parents is so incredibly damaging but very little is understood compared to physical abuse (and SA). I think most people are actually unaware about CEN but there are some experts that think we are on an epidemic scale of it.

this is wild speculation as we really don’t know but if that’s the case then her dad could be an enabler of Susan and also a victim of emotional abuse and controlling behaviour. I see that in my own dad, who I can feel very sad for but also angry at too.

 

[Treesy19]

Janets insta is now private. Hi Janet .

Hahaha!
Hey Janet, your mate is a serial killer. Accept it! If you don’t you’re a fucking nut case yourself. Regards, everyone.

 

[Tilly Kister]

Even more than the spectre pf a predatory paediatric nurse on a killing spree terrifies me, the growing knowledge that there are so many apparently ordinary citizens on the UK with incredibly disturbed thought patterns is a horrifying revelation to me. Apparently Lucy did it because she was unappreciated at work. Or as mercy killings- hedge your bets - and if it was revenge slaughter this "person" can see it from her point of view and may well have done the same.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

He’s debunking the white one now & says he’s got a non redacted copy that shows that someone else harmed the babies. The deluded twat
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No sense at all

“Contains information that will only be given to the appeal once the appeal is underway”?

I don’t think it works like that, mate. If they don’t know the basis for your appeal, they can’t allow your appeal…

 

[MmmB777]

What’s shocked me is the amount of idiots. I know there will always be some. But it’s really very concerning for society how many people just can’t even grasp that they are not going to be able to fully understand a 10 month trial by reading a few twitters and tiktoks in 24hrs.

It’s utterly depressing isn’t it.

 

[MmmB777]

Hyperinsulinism? Something that affects 1/25,000 to 1/50,000 babies, yet somehow two babies were born with it in such a short space of time on a small neonatal unit?

It’s proven synthetic insulin. These people seem to know nothing gross little weirdos.

 

[LittleMy]

I was reading something on Twitter & someone was saying that these Science on Trial loonies could be using ChatGPT to get their ideas from. Apparently if you type in questions it gives you about 5 or 6 theories. Someone on Reddit has written about it. I gave it a go too, it works. I bet it’s what Sarrita & Dicky are using

ChatShitGPT

 

[MmmB777]

I actually believe the media have a role to play in this nonsense too, the panorama doc had that psychologist geezer talking crap about “circumstantial evidence”. I’ve not seen any of the mainstream media talk about cause of death and how experts could determine that these children were murdered. They seem too busy talking about hospital failings, blaming the NHS and preventing this in the future. I think if it was explained how we know these babies died it would stop more people jumping on the “ I’ve not followed closely but something doesn’t feel right” bandwagon

Couldn’t agree more! It’s like the whole focus is off what Letby is actually accused of and there’s no facts about what was actually found. Even at the time the reporting was incredibly patchy when it was the other expert witness evidence- radiographer and pathologist. Their evidence was extremely important. This is the only article I’ve seen that gives a glimpse into what was actually discovered had happened to these babies but it’s still seriously lacking.

The medical evidence that finally caught Lucy Letby

The case against nurse Lucy Letby - who was today found guilty at Manchester Crown Court - hinged on the medical evidence.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[sebanna]

I hope Tigger and Smudge went to good homes.
Thought maybe her parents would have them but I guess pets can be a lot of responsibility and they’ve been back and forth to court and prison a lot

Hope she took good care of Tigger and Smudge and they never saw her sadistic side. Shame they can't talk as they probably have a tale or two to tell about her.

 

[nosycowmoo]

I remember reading the CS reports when they reported word for word the questions put to her and the answers she gave. At the time I thought she kept her answers to a minimum which I thought was to avoid implicating herself as much as possible. When reading the newspaper reports it's difficult to know what her manner and attitude was like so it's good to hear your description.

Well before I came I thought BNE was being awful with her and she must’ve felt threatened… then I went… he had the most gentle lovely professional voice and said everything calmly and she was the narky one

 

[IGiveUp22]

Are they going to review all the evidence and look for holes? As they won't have access to actual evidence, what are they going to do google or come here for Tofino's wiki. Or are they hoping if they get enough supporters the court will bend to the public's will. Unfortunately for Letby this maybe her only hope of freedom, not that there's much hope.

This is what I’m baffled by, they’ve not even had access to all the medical evidence but have this wonderful science that can disprove the entire medical records assessed by multiple medical experts, some experts in neonates too but yet all these qualified people who have had access to every single medical record seem to have all missed this fantastic science that proves her innocence ‍

 

[DianaBanana]

Just a random thought of mine. If she had of pleaded guilty and shown some remorse would she have gotten the same sentence do you think?

I think she definitely would have. Wayne Couzens pleaded guilty and still (rightly) got a whole life order. I think LL is comparable as she was in a position of trust, but worse in my opinion, as there were multiple victims who were babies.

 

[sebanna]

Does Sarrita see the babies as some kind of scientific experiment, instead of people who collapsed and died because they were attacked. I'm sure she's very good at science but this is NICU babies, most NICU babies don't die and what happened was very unusual. Its annoying when these people who aren't neonatalist presume they know more than the experts.

 

[Kas01980]

Court in general has been the weirdest, heartbreaking, yet interesting time.

There were so many odd things that happened mainly to do with LL’s mum, she had a massive argument with Jan one day shouting at her in the corridor shouting ‘you just stick up for them again then’ meaning the prosecution she used to be really nice to one of the court regulars, say hi etc to him, then got him into a corner and asked if he was LL’s friend, when he said no a law student she never spoke to him again except to moan at him once. She had a go at most people in court 8 at one point or another. Don’t get me wrong it must’ve been horrific for them but it did seem odd. She took photos of the press too and collared them if she wasn’t happy with what they’d written about her. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and I can see where LL gets her narky side from im afraid.

In general, the police the crown prosecution etc have all been incredible, you couldn’t ask for a better team, I’m actually missing court days already. And made friends - how bizarre!

The babies families I have nothing but the hugest respect, the dignity, and strength they’ve shown is incredible. All I can say is you don’t know how strong you can be till strong is all you can be, they all seemed to lean on each other too which was lovely. It’s all for them

The verdicts jeez
I arrived about an hour after the first ones. I walked in and it just felt ‘off’ I had to be warned that anything I may hear cannot be repeated and that I’d be in contempt of court and possibly face a 2 year sentence hence why I came off here altogether. It was the strangest feeling. Happy for the right result for the insulin babies. But I was more in shock that after all that time they’d only reached 2 verdicts. We all thought it was going to be a longgggg wait. That’s why he offered them a majority verdict I think. At the same time we all thought that they’d done the hard part, they’d said someone was harming babies. They said it was her so with cross inference they should’ve followed. But nothing for 3 more days. Jammy Radnor blabbed on fb! I’ve never reported something as quick in my life, also heads up they have a social media team working 24/7 monitoring every single comment on here and fb and reddit etc etc

So Friday… I got the train with @O'lee but I needed my lunch so grabbed a sandwich and walked into court for 1pm start then he said he was going to ask for anymore verdicts my jaw must’ve been on the floor I wasn’t expecting it at all. I could barely breathe. The official said in an almost town crier voice ‘it’s been x hours and x minutes’ then asks them in order on count 1 have you reached a verdict then the Forman said yes or no, on the ones he said yes they then say on the count of the murder of Mickey Mouse do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty and they said guilty and honestly I was so tense, I realised after I was holding my hands so hard over my face I had left marks, it was relief scared, happy sad and everything inbetween there was 6 verdicts that day and they became a blur. 4 were murder 2 were attempted. After a couple of the verdicts there was this wailing crying guttural sobbing, it could be heard above everything else, I couldn’t tell who it was it was horrific, I was filling up in shock it was the most surreal horrific moment. LL left, so I knew the noise wasn’t her, the babies families left and then I realised it was LL’s mum. I left the courtroom as her mum left so I ran back in. It was awful we all split up needed some time for it to sink in and have a little moment. Apparently one of the babies parents put their fingers in their ears and walked out.
Afterwards I felt awful for them, that was their moment and instead of being about them it was all about LL’s mum. I get that she’s upset and horrified but she still has her daughter! Those poor babies families don’t!!! And they should’ve had their moment their justice…
It was horrific I don’t even have the words for how it felt like even though I went on the fence and then thought she was guilty it’s the finalness the fact like she really is a serial killer. I’ve sat and looked at this cold narky woman and she’s actually killed these babies. LL saw the first 2 lots of verdicts but then she didn’t come to any of the end of day court sessions only mornings. Judge asked BM about it he said he would find out. Then that was it the low life scum never ever came back out not even in the mornings! She hid in her cell with her comfort blankets and wouldn’t come up. The last power she had and she used it! She’s sick!
The week after there was more verdicts, I missed those first ones. On the Thursday they were asked again and gave 2 more verdicts and were asked if they thought they would be able to reach verdicts on the others and they thought ‘maybe’
Friday came and the video of her being arrested was leaked and it seemed suddenly tense and we were called in again, they were asked if they had anymore verdicts, they didn’t he asked them if given more time they could reach Verdicts and they said no, that was it… one heartbroken family ran out, that was the hardest part. All along I thought the Verdict would be a good job well done moment, but without answers for some it wasn’t… I wish they’d all got an ending, some closure, it was awful. I actually don’t understand with cross inference how they didn’t find all guilty’s if I’m honest and it felt cruel to the NG or no verdict parents. But that’s the law that’s how it works and I really do think they’ve done a thorough job.

That was it he let the jury go and thanked them and it ended. The press knew it was coming I had to get out I needed air it was horrifically sad the press were all filming already we waited around to hear what they had to say in the press conference and then we went to a cafe and talked for the first time in the open, it was hard not being able to offload even to family before then. We all pretty much felt the same glad for the right results in the guiltys but we couldn’t shake the sadness for the other families…
I went on holiday before sentencing, but cried my eyes out listening to the pod and watching the sentencing.

Even 2 weeks on I can’t get my head around it all, not sure I ever will. She seems so ‘normal’ from a distance.

I have no doubts there’ll be a part 2… it blows my mind that she actually exists, like she actually did it, like I knew she had from seeing and hearing her but actually seeing in person the true evil that she is is incomprehensible.
Taking her freedom isn’t enough. Those poor defenceless babies

This post is fascinating...thank you for sharing this. You've witnessed things the whole world has heard about and you've really put across so well how surreal an experience it must have been. I keep thinking this, if it was me I don't think I'd be able to look at her in the courtroom and believe it's actually her and being in such close proximity of someone that has carried out such evil. I'd find it hard to get my head around that I was looking at the person that has carried out one of the worse crimes any of us will see in our lifetimes, or our generations lifetimes.

I hope you are OK because it must have been so mentally and emotionally exhausting, especially seeing the poor parents and how their lives have been so tragically changed forever.

Thanks for sharing

 

[SnoopySnooper86]

True. Reminds me of years ago there was an old man accused of murdering a girl in ?Bristol. Can't remember their names but remember him on the TV in the snow. Everyone thought he had done it, simply because of the way he looked. God forbid any of these weird middle aged/old men with a crush on Letby get arrested for murder, everyone will automatically assume they are guilty because they look weird.

Christopher Jefferies? He got annihilated in the press. The media misconstrued his neurodivergence as guilt.

 

[gigilouxx]

They’ve got spies
Us tattle eejits better watch what we say

Oh shock horror another man defending her
Enjoy your next zoom meeting, perverts

 

[wine o clock]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but is this true? 🫠

There was 1 pic stood posing next to a pole on a night out …. Fully clothed!!! … no way this is true. Lol xx she sat on a church field talking about her studies … I can’t for the life of me imagine her thrusting her crotch in a blokes face …. Or going commando in the middle of a Lap club xx

 

[Tofino]

Also not sure why she’s hiding her face. Coward.

We all know what you look like Karen Rees!!