Lucy Letby Case #67

[MuckyDucker]

Me too. I also wish we had seen her reaction to finding out she has a WLO.
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Why do they even have their phones with them? A work phone I'd understand but I see no reason for them to have their personal phones with them when on duty.
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I doubt she does care about them...

Not going to lie, I read a post a while back which detailed a day in the life of a prisoner and I kind of thought it wasn't too bad. I get that they don't have the luxury of freedom, but essentially it seems like a regular day that we would all live - wake up eat, outside time, work, chores, workout and classes, tv, read, sleep. It kind of feels like they will just create a liveable life in there. I totally get it's not freedom, but kind of frustrating that I feel prisoners probably just make an alternate life in there and get used to it rather than suffer like they should. That said, there's always the level of fear of attacks too.

I hope I'm wrong about that thought process though...

Whilst some of the above is true, imagine it's a weekend and they are short staffed, so no time out your cell.

Evenings can be lock up as early as 6, so thats a long time till 8am to sit and think about what a total c**t you are - although she probs thinks she's great. Other prisoners make noises and cause disturbances over night, some scream and shout and bang on walls.

rit food, small portions, threats, mentally ill people surrounding you.

When I worked there we had a lady who was a child abuser on suicide watch - had to be watched 24/7 - once took the bin bag out the toilet bin and tried to stuff it down her throat - horrific.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Whilst some of the above is true, imagine it's a weekend and they are short staffed, so no time out your cell.

Evenings can be lock up as early as 6, so thats a long time till 8am to sit and think about what a total c**t you are - although she probs thinks she's great. Other prisoners make noises and cause disturbances over night, some scream and shout and bang on walls.

rit food, small portions, threats, mentally ill people surrounding you.

When I worked there we had a lady who was a child abuser on suicide watch - had to be watched 24/7 - once took the bin bag out the toilet bin and tried to stuff it down her throat - horrific.

I imagine it’s very different too for Letby on a WLO than for someone on a short sentence, or even someone on a minimum term life sentence who has a hope of release on parole.

Knowing that you will never be free again is something that I can’t properly comprehend.

 

[helcob1977]

Whilst some of the above is true, imagine it's a weekend and they are short staffed, so no time out your cell.

Evenings can be lock up as early as 6, so thats a long time till 8am to sit and think about what a total c**t you are - although she probs thinks she's great. Other prisoners make noises and cause disturbances over night, some scream and shout and bang on walls.

rit food, small portions, threats, mentally ill people surrounding you.

When I worked there we had a lady who was a child abuser on suicide watch - had to be watched 24/7 - once took the bin bag out the toilet bin and tried to stuff it down her throat - horrific.

The food thing in itself would be torture for me! And the noise! The bit where she's segregated from everyone else to begin with sounds like the best part!
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I imagine it’s very different too for Letby on a WLO than for someone on a short sentence, or even someone on a minimum term life sentence who has a hope of release on parole.

Knowing that you will never be free again is something that I can’t properly comprehend.

I can't either. I would just want to end it all but we know she can't do that...for now!

 

[magikarplover]

How can she have feelings of guilt (as shown in the post it notes) towards her own parents (for what this has done to them), but not the babies and their families? I know it’s probably something I’ll never comprehend, but perhaps some of you knowledgable folk can attempt to explain?

 

[sazzt]

Some idiot conspiracy theorist freak from the Rex v Lucy Letby Science on Trial page, has gone & set up a petition to Free Lucifer!

Don’t think there’s much hope of it taking off though, there’s only 20 people interested in it so far

 

[AllieBee]

The food thing in itself would be torture for me! And the noise! The bit where she's segregated from everyone else to begin with sounds like the best part!
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I can't either. I would just want to end it all but we know she can't do that...for now!

It's even just the basic stuff isn't it, no choice, not even simple things like deciding to go for a long hot bath. No matter how nice the prison is, it's always prison

 

[ellz14]

How can she have feelings of guilt (as shown in the post it notes) towards her own parents (for what this has done to them), but not the babies and their families? I know it’s probably something I’ll never comprehend, but perhaps some of you knowledgable folk can attempt to explain?

I'm no expert on psychopathy but do work in psychology/psychiatry. As far as I am aware, psychopaths can have "exceptions" in terms of empathy, so they might feel a type of empathy reserved for their own children/parents/friends (depending on the person) whilst not having it for people who are further removed from them.

That said, it also seems possible that what she's experiencing with her parents isn't empathy at all but something else - e.g. she's worried they won't continue to support her, feels a loss of something material (holidays and house funded in part by them) or even just that they feed her narcissism and reinforce her self-image.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

The food thing in itself would be torture for me! And the noise! The bit where she's segregated from everyone else to begin with sounds like the best part!
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I can't either. I would just want to end it all but we know she can't do that...for now!

I don’t know if she would. There’s only so many ways she’d be able to attempt in there, and there’s no way she can be sure she’d succeed.
Plus, it would be admitting that she’s guilty.

Maybe she’ll get to a point over the years where she gets friendly with someone on a similar sentence who will do it for her.

 

[magikarplover]

I'm no expert on psychopathy but do work in psychology/psychiatry. As far as I am aware, psychopaths can have "exceptions" in terms of empathy, so they might feel a type of empathy reserved for their own children/parents/friends (depending on the person) whilst not having it for people who are further removed from them.

That said, it also seems possible that what she's experiencing with her parents isn't empathy at all but something else - e.g. she's worried they won't continue to support her, feels a loss of something material (holidays and house funded in part by them) or even just that they feed her narcissism and reinforce her self-image.

This is really interesting. Thank you

 

[sebanna]

Some idiot conspiracy theorist freak from the Rex v Lucy Letby Science on Trial page, has gone & set up a petition to Free Lucifer!

Don’t think there’s much hope of it taking off though, there’s only 20 people interested in it so far

Nobody else can sign it until it gets approved. Reads like it been put up by Richard Gill and Co.

 

[sazzt]

Nobody else can sign it until it gets approved. Reads like it been put up by Richard Gill and Co.

Hopefully it won’t get approved.
Yeah it’s been set up by of one of fool Gill’s freaky minions

 

[MavisBeacon]

I'm in a group chat with some pretty smart people and a few of them have drunk the fool Gill coolaid they're sciencey or science adjacent and have been blinded by the stats (when you're a self-declared Bayesian, anything looks like a nail for your rationalist hammer, I guess).Another one was saying things like "I haven't read anything about the trial but it seems fishy it was so long and the jury was out for so long - surely if she was guilty it would have been faster?"

 

[Katkitkat]

This is it, her case really isn’t so wildly different. As mad as we know BA is now, she didn’t have a big flashing light on her head saying I kill babies for fun and attention. They wouldn’t have believed she could do it. There was also nothing in BA’s childhood that was out of the ordinary. No big trauma that’s known of. People wondered whether she looked for attention because she had quite a few siblings but don’t think that explains anything really. Her family also largely stuck by her as far as I’m aware. She also surprised detectives with her calmness and confidence at arrest and in interview for a young woman that was being accused of extremely serious offences.

It's scary how similar they are, I think Letby definitely wanted to be the new improved Allitt. They think Allitt may have been sexually abused at some point growing up and that could be a reason for her actions, I'm not so sure to be honest.

It's also interesting that two Grantham consultants reported their suspicions that a nurse was injecting children with insulin and they were shut down by a senior nurse.
Although I will say it seems that the COCH consultants were far more urgent in their reporting of concerns and pushed harder to get management to listen

 

[LittleMy]

It's scary how similar they are, I think Letby definitely wanted to be the new improved Allitt. They think Allitt may have been sexually abused at some point growing up and that could be a reason for her actions, I'm not so sure to be honest.

It's also interesting that two Grantham consultants reported their suspicions that a nurse was injecting children with insulin and they were shut down by a senior nurse.
Although I will say it seems that the COCH consultants were far more urgent in their reporting of concerns and pushed harder to get management to listen

Feels like history repeating itself doesn’t it? So much for “lessons will be learned.”

 

[LyraBalaqua]

The ‘lessons will be learned’ spiel is absolutely rit and it was probably spouted by those very managers who allowed Letby to kill babies on their watch.

 

[#notanadad]

It's scary how similar they are, I think Letby definitely wanted to be the new improved Allitt. They think Allitt may have been sexually abused at some point growing up and that could be a reason for her actions, I'm not so sure to be honest.

It's also interesting that two Grantham consultants reported their suspicions that a nurse was injecting children with insulin and they were shut down by a senior nurse.
Although I will say it seems that the COCH consultants were far more urgent in their reporting of concerns and pushed harder to get management to listen

Does anyone know what their actual argument is regarding “statistics” ??? Like how the duck do statistics prove she’s innocent ?!

 

[Ali88]

Does anyone know what their actual argument is regarding “statistics” ??? Like how the duck do statistics prove she’s innocent ?!

I was just going to ask this, what actually is their argument? What “science” are they bumping their gums about? Or is it like the innocent crowd where they never actually give a reason?

 

[LittleMy]

Does anyone know what their actual argument is regarding “statistics” ??? Like how the duck do statistics prove she’s innocent ?!

No idea, I cba to read their drivel tbh. Neither could Ben Myers by the sounds of it

 

[Motherofpugs]

The prosecution case wasn’t based on statistics either…I don’t think they referred to them even once. Despite the fact that the likelihood is that the statistical probably of it being her would be significant. BNE didn’t need statistics when the case against her was strong enough anyway. Deluded egotistical lunatics - that’s all they are.

 

[ellz14]

Does anyone know what their actual argument is regarding “statistics” ??? Like how the duck do statistics prove she’s innocent ?!

This is the thing I'm finding super odd here. The Rex Vs Lucy Letby site has a bunch of evidence for their claims, but no real mention of statistics. The Lucia de Berk case had obvious statistical miscalculations but this one doesn't rely on statistics. It seems like someone ("Dr" Adams??) has tried to discredit the medical evidence piece by piece on the Rex vs LL website and fool Gill is claiming "statistics". About to have a look at his twitter to see if he ever gave any more information on what statistics but I'm not expecting a lot! I wish they would give more detail as I feel like I could analyse it more critically whereas I'm just left confused tbh.