Lucy Letby Case #67

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helcob1977

helcob1977

Treesy19 said:
They really believed her innocence didn’t they. Surely deep down they must know she’s guilty, but may well still be in complete denial outwardly. Their only child together so they’re simply clinging onto the past expectation of her life (and their lives) she would have led if none of this happened. I think they should disappear into the distance so they don’t continue to hurt the victims’ memory.
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I wish her parents would call a spade a spade. I get that they don't want to lose her as she is their everything but they need to accept she's a serial child murderer and then sit with themselves supporting that - out of respect for the families, police, jury etc. Even Ian Watkins mother accepts what he is and admits she still loves him instead of protesting his innocence. I get that their world is destroyed and as a Mum of 2 gorgeous little girls, I think I get it but they need to shut the duck up and disappear out of respect. I've said before, during the trial that my heart ached for her parents but ever since the verdict and finding out more about their conduct my sympathy is waning big time!
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I love Lasagne said:
I wish we had some way of knowing what LL's first week in prison has been like.
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I've been cheering myself by reading up about prison life. Even though people complain that they get telly's and access to education I would truly rather be dead than live like that with no hope of release or reform. And watching your parents age before your eyes is bad enough but from prison with no ability to support and comfort them in old age and illness would be excruciating for me ( I am assuming she's capable of caring about them, perhaps I'm being too generous)
 
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helcob1977

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sebanna said:
There must be something seriously wrong with the way she thinks. In order to kill baby after baby and witness the heartbreak of the families and then go in the next day bright and breezy and attack again. Anyone with a conscience just couldn't do it. I watched a Trevor Mcdonald serial killer documentary where he interviewed a murderer he said he could kill in the afternoon and it wouldn't bother him and he could go out for a meal in the evening and relax. When Trevor asked about remorse and guilt he said he doesn't have that part of his brain and he thinks he's in the right place (prison).
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it never fails to blow my mind when murderers do something mundane like watch netflix straight after or have a nice meal! I literally would be puking and panicking!
 
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Eirawen

Eirawen

gigilouxx said:
This is what I don’t get about why people think she’s so nice! I don’t think she comes across as nice at all!
She puts the gentle and soft act on which tricks your brain into thinking she’s nice
But look at her texts, she’s so bleepin witchy, always moaning, hounding her colleagues about the deaths which were no doubt absolutely traumatising, constantly talking about the parents as well
Even without the killing babies she’s an unlikeable b
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Have you got any of her texts I would like to see what exactly she was saying.
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helcob1977 said:
it never fails to blow my mind when murderers do something mundane like watch netflix straight after or have a nice meal! I literally would be puking and panicking!
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Same here but it proves we're not psychopaths
 
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InTheDollsHouse

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helcob1977 said:
I wish her parents would call a spade a spade. I get that they don't want to lose her as she is their everything but they need to accept she's a serial child murderer and then sit with themselves supporting that - out of respect for the families, police, jury etc. Even Ian Watkins mother accepts what he is and admits she still loves him instead of protesting his innocence. I get that their world is destroyed and as a Mum of 2 gorgeous little girls, I think I get it but they need to shut the duck up and disappear out of respect. I've said before, during the trial that my heart ached for her parents but ever since the verdict and finding out more about their conduct my sympathy is waning big time!
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I've been cheering myself by reading up about prison life. Even though people complain that they get telly's and access to education I would truly rather be dead than live like that with no hope of release or reform. And watching your parents age before your eyes is bad enough but from prison with no ability to support and comfort them in old age and illness would be excruciating for me ( I am assuming she's capable of caring about them, perhaps I'm being too generous)
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The best thing her parents could do is try and get her to talk, confess, give as much information as possible. If she really was so worried about disappointing her own parents, not moving away from them, they could be the only people to get her to talk.

That’s the least very they could do for the parents of babies their daughter killed or harmed.

I think she may have confessed to them already, at least in part, but perhaps made it out to be down to mistakes from being under stress or exhaustion.
 
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sebanna

helcob1977 said:
it never fails to blow my mind when murderers do something mundane like watch netflix straight after or have a nice meal! I literally would be puking and panicking!
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Their brains don't work like a normal person with no understanding or care for the great harm they do. Maybe it was all a game to Lucy or like directing a play, she engineered events in order to cause a collapse then loved the resulting drama and if the baby died their was no remorse only enjoyment at the parent's grief. The post it notes contain only anguish for Lucy, nobody else, as she realises how much trouble she could be in and that nobody can help her.
 
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helcob1977

helcob1977

sebanna said:
Their brains don't work like a normal person with no understanding or care for the great harm they do. Maybe it was all a game to Lucy or like directing a play, she engineered events in order to cause a collapse then loved the resulting drama and if the baby died their was no remorse only enjoyment at the parent's grief. The post it notes contain only anguish for Lucy, nobody else, as she realises how much trouble she could be in and that nobody can help her.
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I agree, this is why I don't waste my time trying to understand it. I will never know how her mind works thankfully
 
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nik1231

Lottiew1 said:
Me too bet she's tit scared. The prisoners on the pon wing will dislike her & they can't keep her hidden away forever!
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Me too. I also wish we had seen her reaction to finding out she has a WLO.
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goldielox said:
She was never off her phone, including whilst on duty. Why is this allowed? In the majority of workplaces it wouldn’t be tolerated.

Only recently when visiting a relative in hospital I had to patiently wait at the desk for several minutes at least before the nurse sitting there reluctantly - and rather resentfully- peeled her eyes from the phone. Bad enough on a normal ward but on a baby ward as in LL’s case, inexcusable.

The rule - as per most other workplaces- should surely be personal phones should be switched off or in lockers whilst working (unless a compelling reason why they shouldn’t be).
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Why do they even have their phones with them? A work phone I'd understand but I see no reason for them to have their personal phones with them when on duty.
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helcob1977 said:
I wish her parents would call a spade a spade. I get that they don't want to lose her as she is their everything but they need to accept she's a serial child murderer and then sit with themselves supporting that - out of respect for the families, police, jury etc. Even Ian Watkins mother accepts what he is and admits she still loves him instead of protesting his innocence. I get that their world is destroyed and as a Mum of 2 gorgeous little girls, I think I get it but they need to shut the duck up and disappear out of respect. I've said before, during the trial that my heart ached for her parents but ever since the verdict and finding out more about their conduct my sympathy is waning big time!
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I've been cheering myself by reading up about prison life. Even though people complain that they get telly's and access to education I would truly rather be dead than live like that with no hope of release or reform. And watching your parents age before your eyes is bad enough but from prison with no ability to support and comfort them in old age and illness would be excruciating for me ( I am assuming she's capable of caring about them, perhaps I'm being too generous)
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I doubt she does care about them...

Not going to lie, I read a post a while back which detailed a day in the life of a prisoner and I kind of thought it wasn't too bad. I get that they don't have the luxury of freedom, but essentially it seems like a regular day that we would all live - wake up eat, outside time, work, chores, workout and classes, tv, read, sleep. It kind of feels like they will just create a liveable life in there. I totally get it's not freedom, but kind of frustrating that I feel prisoners probably just make an alternate life in there and get used to it rather than suffer like they should. That said, there's always the level of fear of attacks too.

I hope I'm wrong about that thought process though...
 
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sazzt

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helcob1977 said:
Can we write to her in prison and tell her about all our matalan bargains?! "Dear Lucy, I just bought some Winnie the pooh pyjamas, a "prosecco princess" nightie and a spangly nylon shrug for 6.99!! You should get down there. Oh...you can't "
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I read that she can send & receive emails through the prison email system. Maybe we should all bombard her with emails about all the things she’ll be missing, she has to pay to receive them so she’d use all her prison spending money up getting them 😆
 
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Katkitkat

LittleMy said:
For anyone who wanted to watch, Angel of Death - The Beverly Allitt Story (tv movie with Charlie Brooks):

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Just watching this (thank you for providing the link) and I was struck by what Beverley's nurse colleague said:

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Maybe these other nurses and friends who believe sketby is innocent will wake up sometime soon.
 
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MmmB777

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Katkitkat said:
Just watching this (thank you for providing the link) and I was struck by what Beverley's nurse colleague said:

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Maybe these other nurses and friends who believe sketby is innocent will wake up sometime soon.
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This is it, her case really isn’t so wildly different. As mad as we know BA is now, she didn’t have a big flashing light on her head saying I kill babies for fun and attention. They wouldn’t have believed she could do it. There was also nothing in BA’s childhood that was out of the ordinary. No big trauma that’s known of. People wondered whether she looked for attention because she had quite a few siblings but don’t think that explains anything really. Her family also largely stuck by her as far as I’m aware. She also surprised detectives with her calmness and confidence at arrest and in interview for a young woman that was being accused of extremely serious offences.
 
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Skippylahlah

Cack_Conroe said:
Can we talk about Lucifer's artistic talents in creating this creepy card? Looks like it was dreamt up by an uninspired 8 year old. I particularly like the design choice of the decorative scribbles around the outside of the heart.

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It does look like something one of my kids would do 😆 I thought the border around the heart was red glitter, very very jazzy!! Those blue hearts are off-centre though and it would drive me crazy putting it up and looking at them 🤪
 
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SkiesOfBlue

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MmmB777 said:
This is it, her case really isn’t so wildly different. As mad as we know BA is now, she didn’t have a big flashing light on her head saying I kill babies for fun and attention. They wouldn’t have believed she could do it. There was also nothing in BA’s childhood that was out of the ordinary. No big trauma that’s known of. People wondered whether she looked for attention because she had quite a few siblings but don’t think that explains anything really. Her family also largely stuck by her as far as I’m aware. She also surprised detectives with her calmness and confidence at arrest and in interview for a young woman that was being accused of extremely serious offences.
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The YouTube programme @LittleMy posted is very interesting in this regard. I watched it this afternoon. Like you say, nothing glaringly obvious in childhood to precipitate a MH disorder but they did say that when she was 12 she literally changed overnight from a warm, outgoing girl to someone who was extremely sullen, troubled and overweight. The person they interviewed asserted that there may have been some pivotal, abusive event at this time which she was unable to talk about or express and that putting on weight (deliberately) was a trauma response. All speculative of course but interesting that the changes were so huge at that pivotal time in her life.
 
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