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Our SCBU took photos and videos of our son to upload to a secure platform for us to see when we weren’t there. It’s a new system being trialled in our county. There wasn’t a work mobile so they must have used their own or maybe a work tablet (they did have that). So some places do allow photo taking, although that was this year but definitely not an 100% no for confidentiality thing as suggested above.
I really don’t think they would use their own phones. Activities staff used ward tablets where I worked (different environment of course). Data protection is a very big deal.
 
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And if this was the first baby, then 16 minutes to be pretty confident about what she was going to do. Didnt spend any time to hesitate, think twice or wait to get settled into her shift.
You make a good point for both arguments. If she is guilty, this makes it seem that she knew exactly what she was doing, her head was set, planned etc etc.

Then if that wasn't enough, she attempts to do the same, so shortly after with Child B...any normal person would think, 'it will look too suspicious'.

There must be evidence leading up to that point, was she edgy, did she make any online searches?
Obviously I know this isn’t the case and I’m not starting some wild conspiracy theory here, but it’s almost as if she was possessed. A seemingly nice, normal, ‘good’ children’s nurse from a ‘normal’ family who people like goes into a shift one day and within 20 minutes of the start of her shift kills a baby then doesn’t even let any dust settle and attempts to kill another, the first babies twin. Then it seems like she had an increasing compulsion to just kill kill kill, barely making time to cover her tracks. Like you said, she didn’t even get settled into her shift or work her way up to it.

I’d say if she did do this (which lbr its looking increasingly like she did), it can’t have been her first time. She was too brazen, just walking straight into a night shift and pretty much the first thing she does is deliver an air embolism to a innocent little baby on purpose.

I’m just ranting but I just can’t wrap my head around this level of evil.
 
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View attachment 1657022This is a peculiar thing to say. She didn’t chase this up? Not even after Baby B also collapsed? It sounds like she was trying to blame the nurse who cared for the baby during the day so surely she would have went to senior staff regarding her concerns.
We’ll there’s two options, either she did intend to kill babies and she’s guilty or she is just an awful nurse who was incompetent. I know which I think (guilty)
 
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I really don’t think they would use there own phones.
My daughter had sepsis and the childrens ward doctor asked if he could take photos of her rash to send to a Professor at a specialist childrens hospital for further opinion. They were taken on the ward camera that was locked away securely so it did take him a little while to get the camera and come back to take the photos
 
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I have had a photo taken by a paramedic on her phone. I was being blue lighter to hospital and they asked if something was normal for me? I couldn’t see what she meant due to my injuries so she took photos of it on her phone and showed them to me. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it happens
It would not have been her own phone. I worked in the community and I had an up to date dedicated work phone that could take photos and videos for that reason, and also just for general communication.
Staff are issued with work phones.
 
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The main thing I find odd about this is that the doctor had to go off to find a camera and by the time they were back it was gone. Most drs I've seen have their phones in their pockets, same with nurses, the parents were also there too so I don't know why it wasn't said can you take a photo of it to another member of staff.

And like you say if it's that unusual then LL should've raised it straight away no?
All 4 of my babies have been prem and spent (a tit load of) time in nicu. In all 3 hospitals they were in they had cameras within the unit, they often take photos to add to the babies diaries etc.
 
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I worked in dermatology for a few years and we sent patients to medical photography department for photographs of their skin (mole mapping, unusual rashes etc) but sometimes we did fetch a camera to take photos for patients who were inpatients on a ward. It would be considered very inappropriate in my old trust to use a personal mobile phone to take a photo. I remember one consultant (a paediatrician) who came in one day with a photograph of his neighbours sons leg who had a rash and asked the dermatologist what she thought. She said she thinks he needs to go through appropriate channels and highlighted it was in no way appropriate!! Slightly different I know but similar in using phones for photographs.
 
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Obviously I know this isn’t the case and I’m starting some wild conspiracy theory here, but it’s almost as if she was possessed. A seemingly nice, normal, ‘good’ children’s nurse from a ‘normal’ family who people like goes into a shift one day and within 20 minutes of the start of her shift kills a baby then doesn’t even let any dust settle and attempts to kill another, the first babies twin. Then it seems like she had an increasing compulsion to just kill kill kill, barely making time to cover her tracks. Like you said, she didn’t even get settled into her shift or work her way up to it.

I’d say if she did do this (which lbr its looking increasingly like she did), it can’t have been her first time. She was too brazen, just walking straight into a night shift and pretty much the first thing she does is deliver an air embolism to a innocent little baby on purpose.

I’m just ranting but I just can’t wrap my head around this level of evil.
That's the bit I can't get my head around. If it was just the 2 babies and then nothing else, the whole scenario seems so far fetched...given what we know about her so far and what others said about her. Indont think anyone would even think it was anything other than sad and unfortunate part of being in NICU.

However, with so many other babies affected by this and her being the only constant to link them all, it paints such a different picture. Like you say, if she is guilty of this, then it's a huge leap from nothing to 2 attempts within hours of each other
 
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District nurses will also take photos on their phones so that they can discuss wounds etc back at the clinic and appropriate treatments for the patient with other nurses/GPs. Obviously, that's a very different area to NICU but it does happen.
 
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Obviously I know this isn’t the case and I’m not starting some wild conspiracy theory here, but it’s almost as if she was possessed. A seemingly nice, normal, ‘good’ children’s nurse from a ‘normal’ family who people like goes into a shift one day and within 20 minutes of the start of her shift kills a baby then doesn’t even let any dust settle and attempts to kill another, the first babies twin. Then it seems like she had an increasing compulsion to just kill kill kill, barely making time to cover her tracks. Like you said, she didn’t even get settled into her shift or work her way up to it.

I’d say if she did do this (which lbr its looking increasingly like she did), it can’t have been her first time. She was too brazen, just walking straight into a night shift and pretty much the first thing she does is deliver an air embolism to a innocent little baby on purpose.

I’m just ranting but I just can’t wrap my head around this level of evil.
There must be previous incidents in my opinion but they can only focus on a limited time frame. I would assume this is why they were advertising for the detective to join the operation as other offences are likely.
 
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I've taken pictures with my work mobile of patients but before I had one (when I was on a ward) we used a ward digital camera or the mobile phone - the shift coordinator kept the mobile for important calls so it was usually to hand.
I've been on lots of other wards with similar systems.
 
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It would not have been her own phone. I worked in the community and I had an up to date dedicated work phone that could take photos and videos for that reason, and also just for general communication.
Staff are issued with work phones.
Would hospital staff be likely to have a mobile? I would assume that part of the reason for a community member of staff to have a phone would be safety (lone working) which wouldn't be a consideration for hospital staff. They didn't when I worked in a hospital (in admin) but it was over 10 years ago I left so things will have changed since then.
 
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It would not have been her own phone. I worked in the community and I had an up to date dedicated work phone that could take photos and videos for that reason, and also just for general communication.
Staff are issued with work phones.
Agreed. We’ve just launched a new EPR system at work and we’ve got lots of new iPhones/iPads on the wards to use for updating the system, taking photos etc. however, I can see why some patients may get confused and believe the staff are using their own personal phones.
 
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There must be previous incidents in my opinion but they can only focus on a limited time frame. I would assume this is why they were advertising for the detective to join the operation as other offences are likely.
Originally there were far more babies involved in the charges - I wonder is baby a & b the first they felt they had enough evidence on so they become the first charges but perhaps weren’t the first victims (if she did murder them).
 
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It will be interesting to see what her phone/search records show before the first collapse. Those could be a sign of anything triggering her.
 
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District nurses will also take photos on their phones so that they can discuss wounds etc back at the clinic and appropriate treatments for the patient with other nurses/GPs. Obviously, that's a very different area to NICU but it does happen.
It will not be their own personal phone. It will be a dedicated work phone they have been issued.
Can you imagine staff using their own phone for communication? Being contacted on your time off? You come from work and you, with joy, switch your work phone off.
 
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The main thing I find odd about this is that the doctor had to go off to find a camera and by the time they were back it was gone. Most drs I've seen have their phones in their pockets, same with nurses, the parents were also there too so I don't know why it wasn't said can you take a photo of it to another member of staff.

And like you say if it's that unusual then LL should've raised it straight away no?
My son was born at the beginning of this year and he had to have surgery quite quickly after he was born (I've already mentioned on here about his NICU stay) and the surgeon registrar wanted to take a photo of what was wrong with my son to show his consultant. He also went off to find a camera and didn't use his phone so it must be some kind of rule maybe, presumably to protect patients and stop doctors having photos of patients on their phones.
 
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It will not be their own personal phone. It will be a dedicated work phone they have been issued.
Can you imagine staff using their own phone for communication? Being contacted on your time off? You come from work and you, with joy, switch your work phone off.
I have worked in the community and can confirm that they were personal phones. A dedicated whatsapp group for work communication/photos/advice.
 
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They do use their own phone.
It's stated in the vcreate contract.
I don’t know what that is but we certainly didn’t use our own phones where I worked. We would have got into a lot of bother for doing that. In the community I had both my own phone and my work phone with me.
 
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