Lucy Letby Case #6

[Milktray]

Carry on discussing...

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Lucy Letby Case Wiki

This wiki is about the trial of Nurse Lucy Letby who was charged with the murder and attempted murder of 17 babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital, between June 2015 and June 2016. There are 22 charges in total, 7 murder and 15 attempted murder. Lucy pleaded not guilty to all charges and...

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[Wackie Jeaver]

I actually hope she is guilty. Because I don't believe those babies all died due to NHS failings (which were undoubtedly there), or that the near misses were down to NHS failings either.

If it wasn't LL, then who?

That doesnt mean I wont listen to the evidence, but it means I hope they've got the right person.

 

[MmmB777]

I actually hope she is guilty. Because I don't believe those babies all died due to NHS failings (which were undoubtedly there), or that the near misses were down to NHS failings either.

If it wasn't LL, then who?

That doesnt mean I wont listen to the evidence, but it means I hope they've got the right person.

That’s exactly how I feel.

 

[jackolantern]

It's awful either way lets be honest, if the babies died because of gross incompetence that is horrific in itself, but if they died from murder? Even worse. I can't convince myself it's the former though, there's just too any instances however tit the NHS can be.

 

[I’mThankyou_]

@Milktray if you click the little tag thing at the top, and tag lucy letby case it will join it up to the older thread.

 

[friedeggontoast]

Can we have the guilty/ not guilty poll again? Would be good to see how peoples opinions are swaying x

 

[Hannah_204]

Wiki is amazing thank you so much @Tofino

 

[Milktray]

@Milktray if you click the little tag thing at the top, and tag lucy letby case it will join it up to the older thread.

So I've clicked this, and it's saying I can't tag?

 

[I’mThankyou_]

So I've clicked this, and it's saying I can't tag?

Oh I'm not sure, I've always done it before I've created the thread

 

[Milktray]

Oh I'm not sure, I've always done it before I've created the thread

I did try to add it when I created it, just presumed it had to be done by admin? I'll keep trying!

Edit - done it!!

 

[DuckDuck]

I hear you but at the sane time there must be flimsy evidence as why would anyone guilty want this to go to trial ? You'd plead guilty and take a sentence. She's either nuts and is a massive risk taker hoping she would be found innocent or she is innocent, but I don't believe that this is huge misfailing of the NHS either... and why is it lasting 6 months? That is a HUGE amount of trial time that's not that common which again makes me believe it's not that straightforward. I don't know at this point what to believe

It's awful either way lets be honest, if the babies died because of gross incompetence that is horrific in itself, but if they died from murder? Even worse. I can't convince myself it's the former though, there's just too any instances however tit the NHS can be.

 

[Emmelina Ball]

I hear you but at the sane time there must be flimsy evidence as why would anyone guilty want this to go to trial ? You'd plead guilty and take a sentence. She's either nuts and is a massive risk taker hoping she would be found innocent or she is innocent, but I don't believe that this is huge misfailing of the NHS either... and why is it lasting 6 months? That is a HUGE amount of trial time that's not that common which again makes me believe it's not that straightforward. I don't know at this point what to believe

I reckon it’s 6 months because of how many babies are involved - if you think how long one murder trial would take and then times it by how many she’s accused of murdering and accused of attempting to murder. I reckon it is really complex. At this stage I haven’t seen enough evidence to feel she’s guilty.

 

[jackolantern]

I hear you but at the sane time there must be flimsy evidence as why would anyone guilty want this to go to trial ? You'd plead guilty and take a sentence. She's either nuts and is a massive risk taker hoping she would be found innocent or she is innocent, but I don't believe that this is huge misfailing of the NHS either... and why is it lasting 6 months? That is a HUGE amount of trial time that's not that common which again makes me believe it's not that straightforward. I don't know at this point what to believe

That's a bit of a generalisation. A duck ton of people plead innocent who are guilty, that in itself means nothing IMO. You could equally say you wouldn't take something to trial over 6 months if your evidence was 'flimsy'. Plus your sentence about she's either nuts or innocent - well yeah, she's either innocent or a baby murderer which in itself is nuts.

 

[Milktray]

Can we have the guilty/ not guilty poll again? Would be good to see how peoples opinions are swaying x

I forgot - sorry! I don't think I can add after posting. We'll be on our next thread by tomorrow no doubt!

 

[I’mThankyou_]

I hear you but at the sane time there must be flimsy evidence as why would anyone guilty want this to go to trial ? You'd plead guilty and take a sentence. She's either nuts and is a massive risk taker hoping she would be found innocent or she is innocent, but I don't believe that this is huge misfailing of the NHS either... and why is it lasting 6 months? That is a HUGE amount of trial time that's not that common which again makes me believe it's not that straightforward. I don't know at this point what to believe

It's 6 months because of the amount of people involved
It's not just 1 baby, it's 17
And perhaps she's taken it to trial knowing she's guilty but also knowing the hospital have fucked up along the way too and she's hoping she can use their failings to get off on some charges.

 

[raspberryjuice]

Re the handover notes found at her home. I know there’s been quite a bit of debate about whether or not it’s normal for a nurse to accidentally take them home so I do understand it can/does happen although it shouldn’t. I was just wondering what we actually know about them so far?
Were the related to babies she is accused of harming? If so, are they from the shifts she is accused of harming the babies (so more likely to be deliberate/a ‘trophy’)? Or are they from different shifts but still relating to the same babies (so either more possibility it’s accidental, or if deliberate more like choosing her victims in advance)?

I hope that makes sense. Just trying to get my head around them, but I can’t remember the detail we know about them so far.

 

[Maa92]

I still can’t see how she could be innocent. The whole trust would have to of turned on her to use her as a scapegoat but why? Why just one person? Idk. The evidence is making me sway towards guilty but there’s that glimmer of hope that maybe she isn’t, because I can’t believe anyone would become a nurse to harm anyone - especially these babies.

 

[corriefan175]

I still can’t see how she could be innocent. The whole trust would have to of turned on her to use her as a scapegoat but why? Why just one person? Idk. The evidence is making me sway towards guilty but there’s that glimmer of hope that maybe she isn’t, because I can’t believe anyone would become a nurse to harm anyone - especially these babies.

I know-why would they choose their poster girl for the new unit as their scapegoat? And I’d like to know who chose her for that campaign actually! Did she push for it to be her I wonder??
How are babies accidentally injected with air so many times and how do they manage to make it always around her? And surely it’s better for the hospital to accept failings based on staff shortages or training (not as easy as it seems to just make experienced or well trained staff appear from nowhere) than accept they employed a baby serial killer and didn’t report the coincidences or Dr’s uncomfort quickly enough?

 

[Nelly's mum]

I am sure I heard ages ago that LL was involved with charity/fundraising work for premature babies, corriefan's post about her being a poster girl for her unit has just reminded me.

Does anyone know anything about this? All I can see online is that she was involved in fundraising for Babygrow neo wing at COCH

 

[Haveyouanywool]

I hear you but at the sane time there must be flimsy evidence as why would anyone guilty want this to go to trial ? You'd plead guilty and take a sentence. She's either nuts and is a massive risk taker hoping she would be found innocent or she is innocent, but I don't believe that this is huge misfailing of the NHS either... and why is it lasting 6 months? That is a HUGE amount of trial time that's not that common which again makes me believe it's not that straightforward. I don't know at this point what to believe

If she pleads guilty she gets life. If she pleads not guilty and is not convicted she is free. If convicted it’s life. Think about it. What are her options?
Many people plead not guilty, even if it feels like they are just tossing a coin. If things aren’t going their way they can still change their plea during the course of the trial in the hope of getting a reduced sentence.
There is only one sentence for this crime.