Depends how you read that bit. I read it as 'how can things ever be the same' and 'they did this'
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To be honest I don’t think there is much point in us speculating about this. The note will already have been throughly forensically examined regarding handwriting style, meaning of words, if one writer, writing tool used etc., so trying to decipher anything further from a photo isn’t going to compare.
She’s admitted to writing it so she, or her legal counsel, can give their explanation later in the trial.
purple flows together ‘how will things ever be like they used to (?) *next line* ‘they can’t’ then it moved onto green ‘I did this.’ ‘I killed them on purpose because I am not good enough’
not sure where your seeing how can things ever be the same but the bits I have underlined are what I am referring too.
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It’s so difficult to know for sure what is means. It’s all so contradictory. ‘I’m evil’ ‘I killed them’ but then ‘why me’ ‘can things every be the same’
I feel like we only really hear about serial killers who revel in everyone knowing what they’ve done. But maybe some are ashamed when they’re caught?
Has anyone mentioned dead pot plants again recently??
At the end of the day nobody gives a crap what we all think, it’s down to that small group of jurors unfortunately and they’re in the unenviable position of remaining impartial when for all we know they’re all Tattlers in real life and are gagging to get on the thread and protest her innocence/ guilt.
Nah I had a patient this morning called Lucy and wrote Letby instead of her surname 
there's a new mistake 
off to bed now 
there's a new mistake off to bed now 
*looks around nervously*Nah I had a patient this morning called Lucy and wrote Letby instead of her surname
Imagine if you saw your nurse do that you’d tit your pants!!Nah I had a patient this morning called Lucy and wrote Letby instead of her surname
I saw a lady on TikTok today who’s got a section booked and the baby will be going into nicu because the lady has had to take morphine throughout pregnancy so baby will be monitored/treated for NAS and she was so upset with the current news of LL she was terrified for her baby to go into nicu. Really sad.
agreed. it will have been analysed within an inch of its life by handwriting experts etc.
the use of first person is still interesting to me but i don’t think we’ll ever get full answers about the note really: it could be a confession, it could be a therapy exercise, it could be a stream of consciousness role play, it could be the manipulative writings of an intelligent woman who knew what words to use to confuse matters. i think the explanation the defence gives will be it was some kind of therapy exercise but we’re never really going to know imo. it all comes down to interpretation.
If she is guilty (&I’m so on the fence I really don’t know but probably leaning slightly more towards not...) then she might’ve pleaded not guilty knowing there’s no concrete evidence. As in no ones actually witnessed her harming the babies. No cctv. Not that we know so far anyway. Maybe she doesn’t want to go to prison & be known as a baby murderer. If she is guilty, I can see why she would plead innocent
If only the threads were full of useful information like this instead of people arguing like we're actually the jury
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people can talk about what they wantIf only the thread were full of useful info like this rather than people thinking they're actually talking to members of the jury trying to sway their opinions
If only the threads were full of useful information like this instead of people arguing like we're actually the jury
Yeah I get that's kind of the point of a discussion forum but at this many threads in as many days its kind of a waste of energy to try to convince anyone of an opinion different than their own when we know so little yet...!people can talk about what they want
Who also claims his innocence to this day
Thanks for this. The discussion about the bag was really confusing me.
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He does. If only he’d got rid of that silencer
I haven’t caught up with todays thread yet. So don’t know if we are still on the subject of moving to days and the grievance procedure. However, I fell asleep last night going over it all in my brain and trying to come up with something logical. Any way here are my thoughts….
I think it could be a possibility that letby heard whispers about what people were suggesting of her. At this point while staff were perhaps concerned, they hadn’t actually taken any action officially to voice their suspicions, equally, I doubt early on anyone thought it was deliberate, just rumours flying around and Lucy got wind of them. I think it’s possible, Lucy then thought duck I need to do something about this.
She went to her seniors with a grievance complaint FIRST! not repeating anything like ‘staff think babies are dying because of me’ , but that staff are bullying her, victimising her, to essentially take back control of the situation and change the narrative in her favour. So should anyone approach management with such crazy allegations she had already planted some seeds of doubt that people had it in for her.
From here management probably chatted with Letby, ensured her they would look into the bullying, suggested she moved to days so to move her away from the night staff, in a way of supporting her ( and are now only saying it’s because of their suspicions because for some wild reason they think that looks better on them
) .
They were probably approached around this time also with the night staff concerns, but as she had already got in there with a bullying complaint they thought that was more likely of two, and even supported her complaint. I mean it really is hard to comprehend anyone let a alone a nurse would intentionally harm a baby. She now thinks she has the upper hand, laid low for a little while (I think there was a three month break after baby K), then got cocky again. I don’t think is out of the realms of possibility. Of course the above scenario would only work if she were guilty. Because another thing that doesn’t make sense is why Lucy then carried on harming babies during the day if she thought they were onto her? Surely she would have been suspicious of this sudden change to day shifts and would just stop. She isn’t a stupid person, she is a nurse. If she is guilty she could have stopped but she didn’t, and surely she wouldn’t carry on knowing they were on to her. The only logical explanation I can come to is that they moved her to days to get away from the victimisation (or that’s what they told her, like the two investigations were running a long side one another), I mean they would have to give her explanation wouldn't they?
Anyway just a thought
hope I make sense 
I think it could be a possibility that letby heard whispers about what people were suggesting of her. At this point while staff were perhaps concerned, they hadn’t actually taken any action officially to voice their suspicions, equally, I doubt early on anyone thought it was deliberate, just rumours flying around and Lucy got wind of them. I think it’s possible, Lucy then thought duck I need to do something about this.
She went to her seniors with a grievance complaint FIRST! not repeating anything like ‘staff think babies are dying because of me’ , but that staff are bullying her, victimising her, to essentially take back control of the situation and change the narrative in her favour. So should anyone approach management with such crazy allegations she had already planted some seeds of doubt that people had it in for her.
From here management probably chatted with Letby, ensured her they would look into the bullying, suggested she moved to days so to move her away from the night staff, in a way of supporting her ( and are now only saying it’s because of their suspicions because for some wild reason they think that looks better on them
) . They were probably approached around this time also with the night staff concerns, but as she had already got in there with a bullying complaint they thought that was more likely of two, and even supported her complaint. I mean it really is hard to comprehend anyone let a alone a nurse would intentionally harm a baby. She now thinks she has the upper hand, laid low for a little while (I think there was a three month break after baby K), then got cocky again. I don’t think is out of the realms of possibility. Of course the above scenario would only work if she were guilty. Because another thing that doesn’t make sense is why Lucy then carried on harming babies during the day if she thought they were onto her? Surely she would have been suspicious of this sudden change to day shifts and would just stop. She isn’t a stupid person, she is a nurse. If she is guilty she could have stopped but she didn’t, and surely she wouldn’t carry on knowing they were on to her. The only logical explanation I can come to is that they moved her to days to get away from the victimisation (or that’s what they told her, like the two investigations were running a long side one another), I mean they would have to give her explanation wouldn't they?
Anyway just a thought
hope I make sense 
I believe this is referring to an investigation by HSIB, not the police. HSIB are the Healthcare Safety Investigation Branch. Usually things are referred to them rather than the police because a) it is incredibly rare that mistakes are malicious, normally these things are unfortunately competency based and b) the average police offer knows next to nothing about the intricacies of healthcare, and as we’re learning here on tattle, you need to know quite a bit of medical stuff in order to make sense of these cases. HSIB is lead by people who are qualified and very experienced in the area they’re investigating.
I’ve been interviewed by HSIB twice (I want to state I was not at fault in either case. But because the investigation is very thorough they interview everyone that was involved) so if anyone had any particular questions I can try and answer
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