Lucy Letby Case #6

[Borntorun]

The NHS is a huge organisation and must be bureaucratic.
Some might have had their suspicions but how many would jump to ‘someone’s killing babies’. It’s obviously not right but would the bureaucracy delay swift action? After all, it’s basically committees and everyone knows how tangled they can be.

Things do take an incredible amount of time. Lots of things trigger a need for an internal review (maternity and nicu often share a clinical risk office, I’m only familiar with the maternity side, but examples would be a postpartum haemorrhage, or a severe perineal tear). This then creates a bit of a ‘queue’. Although incidents that involve death or brain damage do get investigated as a priority.

HSIB seem to take about a year to write their reports. These then get given to the trusts to implement their recommendations. Although I doubt the recommendation said “you’re employing a murderer”

 

[StatusWoe]

the size differences between the man aswell man

''Err...your honour, we're having some issues with scale''

 

[MoveBtchGetOutTheWay]

i read a great article (which i’ll try and find) about court artists after those infamous drawings of the kardashians recently - apparently there are very strict rules on how you draw people, including not making them too “attractive” or stylised. you have to draw people deliberately plain. which might explain it

Interesting!! I did think the drawings could potentially cloud publics judgement say if they drew the accused looking chirpy so did wonder if they were always told to draw them looking miserable!

 

[LaBlonde]

Interesting!! I did think the drawings could potentially cloud publics judgement say if they drew the accused looking chirpy so did wonder if they were always told to draw them looking miserable!

it was very interesting, i’m desperately trying to find it!

but yes, they’re told to draw everyone with neutral expressions and basically plain and basic (for want of a better word ) - even the barristers. it’s all too avoid influencing the public like you say. if ll was being drawn like a disney princess then it can easily sway opinion.

 

[stardust1]

it was very interesting, i’m desperately trying to find it!

but yes, they’re told to draw everyone with neutral expressions and basically plain and basic (for want of a better word ) - even the barristers. it’s all too avoid influencing the public like you say. if ll was being drawn like a disney princess then it can easily sway opinion.

I’m not convinced them drawing are plain and basic they have made her look haggard but maybe she is. Is there any pictures of her recently?

 

[LaBlonde]

I’m not convinced them drawing are plain and basic they have made her look haggard but maybe she is. Is there any pictures of her recently?

not that i can recall! there was that photo of her posting bail from (maybe) last summer that someone linked in the last thread - but that’s the most recent photo i can remember

 

[stardust1]

not that i can recall! there was that photo of her posting bail from (maybe) last summer that someone linked in the last thread - but that’s the most recent photo i can remember

ah yes I remember that one. She must have kept a low profile before she was on remand.

 

[mchammerr]

i read a great article (which i’ll try and find) about court artists after those infamous drawings of the kardashians recently - apparently there are very strict rules on how you draw people, including not making them too “attractive” or stylised. you have to draw people deliberately plain. which might explain it

Is there a law that they have to make them look absolutely nothing like the actual person?

 

[stardust1]

Obvs with everything take with a pinch of salt but comments made on a post about the consultant after saying he likes to put the cat amongst the pigeons

 

[LaBlonde]

Is there a law that they have to make them look absolutely nothing like the actual person?

the comment upthread about them having to draw from memory might explain this one i’m picturing a load of artists, stressed after a day in court, scribbling over pages like “was she blond? what did her nose look like?……. ah, close enough ”

 

[mchammerr]

I lost track on Friday can anyone remember how court was left? Had the prosecution finished questioning Dr Dewi Evans?

 

[honeyybunnyy]

I actually hope she is guilty. Because I don't believe those babies all died due to NHS failings (which were undoubtedly there), or that the near misses were down to NHS failings either.

If it wasn't LL, then who?

That doesnt mean I wont listen to the evidence, but it means I hope they've got the right person.

See part of me agrees, but if she's found not guilty, the NHS trusts with higher than average maternity and neonatal deaths (of which there are more than there should be, even one is too many) will be put against the wall.

Apart from a few one-off inquiries here and there, babies are still seriously ill and dying due to horrible decisions made during births and on wards. It makes me bleeping sick.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

Obvs with everything take with a pinch of salt but comments made on a post about the consultant after saying he likes to put the cat amongst the pigeons

Why is this Consultant being vilified? He will be one of several on the unit. Plus registrars, junior doctors, Charge nurses, senior nurses and junior nurses.
Is he taking the flack because he’s the messenger? Or at least the first one to be mentioned in court.
What has his character, flawed or not, got to do with this? He’s not the one on trial.

 

[MoveBtchGetOutTheWay]

Why is this Consultant being vilified? He will be one of several on the unit. Plus registrars, junior doctors, Charge nurses, senior nurses and junior nurses.
Is he taking the flack because he’s the messenger? Or at least the first one to be mentioned in court.
What has his character, flawed or not, got to do with this? He’s not the one on trial.

I agree, I'm not really sure why. With hindsight there is most certainly things we all would have said / done different knowing the outcome of the situation.

I'm an over thinker and have intrusive thoughts and a nurse killing a baby is the sort of thought I would have, but then my therapy tells me that this is highly unlikely and I'd talk myself out of it. .

I always jump to worse case scenario and if eel like this is one of those situations where I feel like this is one of those times that sometimes those thoughts are valid! But how on earth do you sort the intrusive from the true fact?!

 

[stardust1]

Why is this Consultant being vilified? He will be one of several on the unit. Plus registrars, junior doctors, Charge nurses, senior nurses and junior nurses.
Is he taking the flack because he’s the messenger? Or at least the first one to be mentioned in court.
What has his character, flawed or not, got to do with this? He’s not the one on trial.

I think people are running with anything they can to prove the scapegoat situation. People are also making the correlation between him working on maternity and NICU and the high still born rates. I would imagine after 7 years he has been looked into substantially so I’d guess he is in the clear. Someone else on this thread said he got told to hush when he raised concerns about LL and told it can be seen as bullying. If any of that is true there will hopefully be some written evidence to come up.

 

[Bakers]

https://citizenscybercourt.wordpress.com/nameless-stories/child-snatching/the-estranged-daughter/ . .
Here's a case with Dr Evans interesting read

 

[Haveyouanywool]

I think people are running with anything they can to prove the scapegoat situation. People are also making the correlation between him working on maternity and NICU and the high still born rates. I would imagine after 7 years he has been looked into substantially so I’d guess he is in the clear. Someone else on this thread said he got told to hush when he raised concerns about LL and told it can be seen as bullying. If any of that is true there will hopefully be some written evidence to come up.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head about the scapegoating theory. Everyone and anyone will be to blame apart from the person in the dock.
Although I’m inclined to think she’s guilty I’d like to hear the evidence and hear explanations about technical things I don’t understand and leave the rabbit holes to others.

 

[Skellig]

Imagine if you saw your nurse do that you’d tit your pants!!

Thank god she didn't see me. I'm not only her doctor but her brother is my mate

*looks around nervously*

 

[Lackofimagination]

Thank god she didn't see me. I'm not only her doctor but her brother is my mate

I’m so sorry I thought I’d seen you comment on a previous page you were a nurse! Must of got you confused with someone else! Sorry again

 

[Hannah_204]

Does anyone know why in other cases that are half as shocking they are top of all news articles and also showing the accused mug shot but in this case it feels down played?