Thank you. Maybe it’s all the great analysis here that I wish they also had! It definitely helps me!
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“My student is glued to me”
Yes because she’s learning Lucy you pug mouthed toad
Yes because she’s learning Lucy you pug mouthed toad
So she can blame the student for the killingI completely agree with this. She comes across as a complete busy body. Infact didn’t she say the other week she loved having students? But she was texting about how much of a hindrance they are to her. Who want’s a student with you when you want to kill babies
One big bowl of cherries!seems like Ben has skipped the part where Lucy was informed about triplets
“And here’s how you ram an NG tube into a newborns guts to cause severe injury…”
She's one crafty deviant dangerous... bleep
Her saying ‘you’re not supposed to watch a baby die’ is such an odd statement to me. It’s exactly what she did. It’s almost like an admission hidden in another context.
Now now, don’t start that booze talk again or you’ll get your knuckles rapped for clogging the threadI initially thought that there would not be enough evidence to find her guilty for a lot of the babies. Now after spending so much time going through as much of the evidence that my little day will let me, I don’t see how she could get off on the majority of the charges. Even as the attacks went on, they got more aggressive. These deaths can’t just be explained away. They are murder. There is maybe some grey area with a few of the more unwell babies (I’m sorry I didn’t note down their letters) that maybe could be argued there is reasonable doubt but also the jury are being presented with far more information than we have, so hopefully they have more information to hand. She hasn’t even been cross examined yet. I think she’s going down for a long time. Reading about these newborns ‘screaming’ is just horrible. How could anyone do that.
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You only clap cos you’re full of gin when the plane lands. Be honest Della
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I felt this too. Very odd choice of words
Wtf was she doing on the labour ward when she had 3 babies in HDU and a student glued to her?
happy to hear this door swipe out but the reporting hasn’t said where the ‘from the labour ward’ data has come from. Is it just her say so or do they have a labour ward door swipe? (And what time was the labour ward door swipe if it exists)
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I’d like to know what the student witness statement was. Quick look I can’t see it in wiki so either not reported or may be a defence witness. If anyone finds it let me, I have to go out now, bloody annoying friends.
I’d like to know if Lucy ever gave her her swipe card and if Lucy sent her away to do anything.
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Here we go again. Can recall the event she wasn’t there for but not anything from other events.
happy to hear this door swipe out but the reporting hasn’t said where the ‘from the labour ward’ data has come from. Is it just her say so or do they have a labour ward door swipe? (And what time was the labour ward door swipe if it exists)
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I’d like to know what the student witness statement was. Quick look I can’t see it in wiki so either not reported or may be a defence witness. If anyone finds it let me, I have to go out now, bloody annoying friends.
I’d like to know if Lucy ever gave her her swipe card and if Lucy sent her away to do anything.
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Here we go again. Can recall the event she wasn’t there for but not anything from other events.
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I think this is the part where Dr Breary questioned why the babies were left unattended and where was LL which causes him to send the concerning email. Then Dr Nee Nuts gives LL the heads up ( I could be wrong coz my head's now mashed)
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Plus she'll be telling the midwives to do their jobs properly too
It sounds odd, if you're looking after 3 babies and a student and you have claimed to be so busy how did she have time to go to labour ward.
I totally get your point but yeh maybe it did play out that way.I’ve not caught up to be fair. But if BM is saying ‘her swipe data shows she wasn’t there’ - how can anyone then say ‘that means nothing to me’ - it’s door data
Ok caught up somewhat, damn parenting duties!
This seems pretty clear cut to me, what did the prosecution say about it?
'The event is recorded for Child N at 1am. Swipe data is shown that Letby entered the neonatal unit at 1.15am. The court has heard swipe data is collected when staff members enter the unit, not exit'.
So are the prosecution (or those who believe guilt), alleging that she has harmed baby N, left the unit and then returned at 1.15am?
I work somewhere that you have to swipe in to get the office but often staff tailgate each other so I might swipe my card and let someone else in or vice versa. Maybe she is that sly that she gets on the unit without swiping, offs a baby then leaves and swipes back in and her alibi is 'I wasn't there'.
Pity the swipe data isn't backed up by CCTV of who is entering or leaving the unit.
I agree, at first swipe data sounds like it’s concrete evidence as to someone’s whereabouts but it’s definitely not, not in the same way that cctv would be. There could be so many reasons for the swipe data at a certain time, she could have left the unit to go somewhere, then as soon as the door shut swipe back in and been like “oh I don’t need to go now actually I’ll go later”. It’s absolutely NOT evidence that she wasn’t on the unit prior to that swipe.
I bet jen jones key has been getting messages on facebook, she used to have an open public that was easily found she doesn’t now
It wouldn’t surprise me. Frankie Smith’s (Star Hobson’s mother) FB was still public during her murder trial and the amount of abuse on all of her pictures and posts was unreal. People were - understandably - furious. I don’t blame some of the witnesses for staying anonymous tbh, that sort of mob mentality often spills over. Even just people asking things they shouldn’t.
Not surprised tbh. Wasn’t he one of the two colleagues she’d called names on theDr Jayaram joining everyone else under the busok Lucy
She’s practically thrown everyone under the bus now except for Dr NN.
i would definitely stay anonymous. It has effected so many innocent people’s lives
(I’m fuming my work is so busy this morning so I’m pages behind.)
If you’ve harmed and killed multiple babies fairly under-detected for a while, you’re going to know what tricks to pull off. I’m curious about the 1.15 swipe too. Will await Nick on that. But like others, it doesn’t reduce my certainty on her. Majority of swipes done without any thought, as regular and thoughtless as putting your seatbelt on in a car. She would have absolutely known to use that as a tool to her advantage. At her free will and when to use it to her advantage. Probably put it in a colleague’s pocket and retrieved it later on.
She is capable of murder of the most vulnerable human beings. Ain’t no door data she is afraid of manipulating. She is calling a mother a liar about the 9am visit. And Dr J a liar too. She is beyond anything we could imagine.
If you’ve harmed and killed multiple babies fairly under-detected for a while, you’re going to know what tricks to pull off. I’m curious about the 1.15 swipe too. Will await Nick on that. But like others, it doesn’t reduce my certainty on her. Majority of swipes done without any thought, as regular and thoughtless as putting your seatbelt on in a car. She would have absolutely known to use that as a tool to her advantage. At her free will and when to use it to her advantage. Probably put it in a colleague’s pocket and retrieved it later on.
She is capable of murder of the most vulnerable human beings. Ain’t no door data she is afraid of manipulating. She is calling a mother a liar about the 9am visit. And Dr J a liar too. She is beyond anything we could imagine.
I hope she’s reported any witness abuse to the police. Surely that’s illegal - to abuse witnesses - no? Does anyone know?
And again, respectfully, maybe this just is one of the times that BM had managed to find she wasn’t there for. Prosecution haven’t even given their account of why she’s been placed with that baby, so I guess it’s within the realms of possibility that on this occasion it’s correct. I’m almost sure they’re cctv of the neonatal entrance so would show if she’d just nipped out and back in quickly. It’s just interesting as it shows to me how each side picks out the info that is most useful to them.
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