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Going back to the last thread, if JJK had said she absolutely knows LL was nowhere near baby N when they collapsed then wouldn’t that have been used as defence? Therefore presumably she never implied in any of her statements that LL was nowhere near baby N, and this confusion must be down to how her statement has been reported. Hope that makes sense, it’s all confusing me now 
Just listening to today’s podcast (about Friday’s court session) and they mention baby D’s mum and her testimony re Lucy being in the room around 7pm.
it just occurred to me after all that discussion earlier regarding JJK and baby N, that we now know Lucy does go into the rooms before her shifts start - she was there at 7.10pm for baby N.
I know there is swipe data and a text message at later times for baby d, but the theory of Lucy being in the room around 7 before her shift doesn’t actually seem that unreasonable now.
it just occurred to me after all that discussion earlier regarding JJK and baby N, that we now know Lucy does go into the rooms before her shifts start - she was there at 7.10pm for baby N.
I know there is swipe data and a text message at later times for baby d, but the theory of Lucy being in the room around 7 before her shift doesn’t actually seem that unreasonable now.
Psychopathic behaviour to go into work before your work shift actually starts tbh 
(mostly kidding but I do have work colleagues who do this, and go in on their days off as well?! wild horses could not pull me there
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(mostly kidding but I do have work colleagues who do this, and go in on their days off as well?! wild horses could not pull me there
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Could it be possible she was swiped in by another colleague? Or the Door was held open for her by another member of hospital staff? and/or the pass was already at work? (in her Morrison bag of secrets).
We know she didn’t forget it as it was swiped after 7pm. Just speculating I think LL likely premeditated her attacks. Wonder if her text to her colleague to say she was leaving for her shift was to give herself an alibi?
I think she is very clever covering her tracks hence why LL is placed at the scene every time and there is evidence to prove this yet there is always a little grey area of doubt with each baby where she has tried to cover her attacks. Lucy says herself “they will have little or no evidence”.
I wonder if she intentionally/frequently uses colleagues swipe cards to gain entry?
Then using her own swipe card after harming the babies. Just to ensure if she was caught they couldn’t blame her as she wasn’t on shift, I’ve noticed a pattern of her where abouts being constantly questioned throughout this trial and I believe it is intentional.
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Isn’t there already an instance (forgive me, I’ll have to go through the wiki again or is someone else remembers) where she’s written something in a baby’s notes happening at a certain time, but the swipe data has her not even there yet (break/meal time whatever)? Of course a hcsk has this mammoth task on their hands to do this kind of thing if they wish to carry on. She came in after that “time” she’d written as happening. She was doing this kind of stuff but forgot that time. That’s why I think she was confident to say they “have no/little evidence they’ll look silly”. But like I said previously, you tell that many lies you just cannot remember it all or it all tie up nicely.
She has thought she was a good liar, but to be a good liar you need to remember every lie that you have told. Lucy hasnt done this she's trippng herself up now and she only being questioned by her own team the now. I cant wait til the prosecution get their turn
It would be difficult to come on a ward early and not be seen by anyone in my experience , especially specialised wards.
Also to use another member of staffs swipe card would be difficult without permission. Most staff keep them on lanyards or in pockets .
Also to use another member of staffs swipe card would be difficult without permission. Most staff keep them on lanyards or in pockets .
I’m getting nervous for the families. If she gets off it’ll be horrific for them
Is the swipe to get in the unit or to check in the hospital? Two things: could she have gone in, back out to pick up something she forgot in the car (hence the “on the way” text message), then returned, and the defence just aren’t mentioning an earlier swipe in/out? Or is the swipe to “clock on”? You sometimes get in trouble for clocking in at the wrong time because it can affect your pay, so she could have been there but delayed checking in? I’m probably wrong/clutching at straws on both counts but I just wasn’t sure about the swipe.
I listened this morning and she’s very obviously been coached with phrases and speech. It doesn’t change my opinion that she’s done it xx
What days is court this week?
All swipe data would have been recorded
We don't swipe in to clock on. It's just for security reasons.
Could she be 'lve forgotten my swipe, would you mind swiping me in?'.
I have to swipe three times before I even get on my ward. Once to get in my unit, once to get in the staff room then another time to get into the changing room.
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She could but to not have your card all day would be memorable I would think as you would constantly be asking people for theirs. I would remember for a case this serious as it rarely happens and is usually the same culprit on our ward.
In the hospital I used to work in, you had to swipe the card in order to get onto any ward. It’s always possible that someone else let her in, however certain wards (particularly NICU, SCBU and PICU) were a lot more secure and had certain sections / rooms within the ward which required you to swipe your card in order to access them. The medication rooms had card access too, although some of the older wards had a pin code you had to put in on the door in order to access them.
I think it massively depends on what sort of set up the ward had really, but in my experience the baby wards tend to be small and compact (as the one she worked at looks from the pictures) with only a few members of staff working and as other posters have said, I think it’d be difficult to turn up and not be instantly noticed. The staff tend to be pretty vigilant as well, I’d often get grilled by nurses demanding to know who I was, what I was doing there, how long I was going to be etc. as soon as I set foot on the ward lol.
The timing discrepancies are something which I’m very intrigued by too though.
I don’t think there are any discrepancies with swipes as such. Just the “around 7” issue and her swipe being 7:26.
I think she is alleged to have begun messing with child P when she is on shift late after baby O. So she should be off the unit but it’s proven she wasn’t. Also proven by her own texts telling Noname she had stayed late.
I think she is alleged to have begun messing with child P when she is on shift late after baby O. So she should be off the unit but it’s proven she wasn’t. Also proven by her own texts telling Noname she had stayed late.
Trial resumes on Thursday 11th according to BBC.
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