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Agree. The people who are saying it isn’t relevant perhaps aren’t fully aware of the huge levels of (sometimes unconscious) racism.
At the moment, she is being presented as a white, middle class nurse from a well adjusted family. A significant number of people are suggesting she is a scapegoat, based on no tangible evidence. Highly doubt that would be the case if she was from a different ethnic background and from a broken home.
I tend to agree, but I do think it's entirely dependant in the person and their circumstances. We don't know her feelings on it.
I had no kids or no boyfriend at 25
but a string of failed relationships with the wrong people!Agreed. I'm a white blonde women and am often perceived a certain way based solely off the way I look.
I work in finance and dyed my hair brown at one stage because there was a perception that I was this friendly bubbly blonde person who doesn't typically look hard faced and would therefore struggle to reprimand people or fully implement procedures and policies to people who were doing things they shouldn't.
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I do agree. Looking the families up is strange & inappropriate, but it doesn’t make her a murderer
The bit that’s swayed my mind on this is looking up the families on the exact date of death and anniversaries. Fair enough you have a few cases that stick in your mind and the dates etc but these just seem different
exactly, i had no kids or boyfriend at 25. i still have no kids or boyfriend at 37! (not exactly unhappy about that though
)it’s a degree of societal bias really: we assume or are told that a young woman will want both of these things, and are told to treat it as strange if she doesn’t (some of the questions and comments i’ve had over the years are wild!) - we just can’t apply it to her case as we don’t know what her feelings are on it.
This is the most reasonable comment I’ve read on here. Thanks for articulating my thoughts better than I could have.
it’s far too early in the proceedings for there to be swaying either way. This is week one of a six month trial. There will be a lot more to come from the prosecution, the defence and the witnesses.
personally I think the poll at the top of this thread was inappropriate.
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Iv not heard she was adopted, so totally unsure on that one. But if I'm honest I thought she looked the image of her mum!
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I agree with all talking about the miscarriage/infertility speculation. Sometimes there is no sympathetic motive behind things. It’s not like a tv show where there’s character development and you learn why people do the things they do… some people can be psychopaths, and some people can be serial killers. There’s no motive needed. Triggers, maybe, but not motive.
all this white woman talk is doing my head in. Let’s just think about this logically and what is the general serial killer demographic - 82% white men, so yes she is going against this demo by being a woman but being white carries no bias for being a serial killer! Talking retrospectively about black young male nurse is a totally irrelevant point. LL is being considered a scapegoat due people seeing a lack of concrete evidence and I’m sure the same people would take this viewpoint regardless of chuffin colour, social standing, education etc etc
Why did you quote me then and directly reply?my comments weren’t aimed at you but good for you for calling every case you have ever worked on the first day
for the record, people like me who may be trying a case in any given court in the country encounter people like you who have no legal expertise whatsoever but work the court every day. We don’t like you. We are polite, we smile but no one likes a know it all
You have no idea in what capacity I work
something that I would not disclose online because its very niche and I'd be identifiable very easily. I'm not a "know it all" at all, I'm good at my job and fortunately don't go to work to be liked. Are you saying that the NICU nurses on here are know it alls because they have answers that lots of people don't? No.You know that this is a forum where you can express your opinion, yeah? My opinion is based on knowing that her defence is the very best anyone could get, that he is going to have a reasonable and logical explanation for every scrap of evidence the prosecution present, placing doubt in the mind of at least some of the jurors, and that is all it will take, one person to question one piece of evidence.
I literally can’t even think of a black serial killer, male or female lmao. I’m not hugely into true crime though so maybe others can.all this white woman talk is doing my head in. Let’s just think about this logically and what is the general serial killer demographic - 82% white men, so yes she is going against this demo by being a woman but being white carries no bias for being a serial killer! Talking retrospectively about black young male nurse is a totally irrelevant point. LL is being considered a scapegoat due people seeing a lack of concrete evidence and I’m sure the same people would take this viewpoint regardless of chuffin colour, social standing, education etc etc
When I read for example "child X was given 1ml of milk" it brings it home how tiny these babies were
Will LL speak in court?
Will LL speak in court?
why do think ethnicity isn’t relevant?
Murder trials aren't live streamed in this country.
It’s up to her, she doesn’t have to testify. We won’t know until it’s the defence’s turn to call up witnesses. (Unless they drop in beforehand ‘you will hear from Lucy’).When I read for example "child X was given 1ml of milk" it brings it home how tiny these babies were
Will LL speak in court?
interestingly though, that stat in itself is about racial bias, minorities are more likely to be incarcerated or charged very quickly after “first” crimes. white men are able to get away with things or hide in plain sight for longer because society generally sees them more positively, they generally are able to get decent lawyers etc. there are a few black serial killers, but mainly in the us (which again makes sense based on demographics etc).
i agree with the overall point that the race discussion is derailing the thread though, and the comments people are making about it are valid.
in court they are using the babies names which cannot be published. I don’t think we live stream cases in the UK either
It is illegal to film or photograph inside any court room in the U.K.
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