Yes this...Star Hobson's case for example. FS provided information on the stand that she had never disclosed before nor was it in the court bundles. Both the prosecution and SB lawyer accused her of being in contempt of court? (I think that's the term they used).
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Jesus. I couldn’t get all the way through this. Is it Diana’s fault then? Or Charles? Because on his 38th birthday he ate 2 bananas and drove 14 miles and spent £68 which ultimately all somehow = Lucy being set up.Talking of “conspiracy’s”……
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Interesting. Hope the jury are made aware of these findings.
Copy and paste is my friend
but thank you.my comments weren’t aimed at you but good for you for calling every case you have ever worked on the first day
for the record, people like me who may be trying a case in any given court in the country encounter people like you who have no legal expertise whatsoever but work the court every day. We don’t like you. We are polite, we smile but no one likes a know it all
agreed! guilty or not, they’ve lost their daughter too in all this. it’s not their fault she’s apparently a baby killer. i can’t even imagine how i’d feel if my child was charged with this.
the amount of press outside i’m not surprised they’re holding hands in / out for support and making sure they stick together.
When on a ventilator, you can be paralysed as well as sedated. Likely baby didn’t need full control (paralysis) or was managing well with just sedation.
FOR intubation, as in the process of putting the tube in and then being put on the ventilator, you’re always paralysed and sedated. But doesn’t have to continue once they’ve worn off, depends on treatment required.
You quoted them though …my comments weren’t aimed at you but good for you for calling every case you have ever worked on the first day
for the record, people like me who may be trying a case in any given court in the country encounter people like you who have no legal expertise whatsoever but work the court every day. We don’t like you. We are polite, we smile but no one likes a know it all
You also don’t need to belittle this person to make your point.
Ugh this is horrendous. Baby I. My surviving twin came back from the brink so many times. we nearly lost him continually over a period of 8 months. He is an amazing little boy now who can read, has friends, is the absolute love of my life and is so very special, everyone who comes into contact with him just loves him. To think of these tiny lives like my son’s, with so much ahead being just snuffed out, I can’t comprehend what I am reading and it is taking me right back to our own nightmare nicu days. It’s been made me question if my daughter died naturally. I’m not sure I can take 6 months of this but I feel like I need to know what’s gone on.
He was quite active on social media a while ago although haven’t seen anything recently. He was a lovely dr, saw my daughter for a while - I remember he did iron man competitions as well, which is completely irrelevant
he always stood out in my
Mind as being a really lovely, kind, thorough Dr and nice person
He was quite active on social media a while ago although haven’t seen anything recently. He was a lovely dr, saw my daughter for a while - I remember he did iron man competitions as well, which is completely irrelevant
he always stood out in myMind as being a really lovely, kind, thorough Dr and nice person
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the rules of documentation state no opinions and fact only. I agree the dr should have 100% escalated his concerns however he would not be able to document his opinions in paitent notes. He could write what he saw as long as it was relevant to the patient, not the narrative of the fact he was suspicious of LL.
Sorry not caught up with the thread. Was saying to my mum earlier imagine not only hearing about your child which I can imagine would be devastating but for the poor parents having to listen to what happened to other babies also my heart breaks for all of them.
My auntie lost a baby at a month old 38 years ago he was born with half his heart missing this was before I was born but I’ve grown up with knowing about him and it still has a huge impact on my family.
i know it’s just opening comments but the searching on Facebook is a huge red flag for me sometimes hours after even a year after and LL just says she doesn’t remember why. If I was accused of something I didn’t do I would fight to prove my innocence not just say I don’t remember. I’m shocked what I’ve read today my heart break for all the babies involved and their families.
My auntie lost a baby at a month old 38 years ago he was born with half his heart missing this was before I was born but I’ve grown up with knowing about him and it still has a huge impact on my family.
i know it’s just opening comments but the searching on Facebook is a huge red flag for me sometimes hours after even a year after and LL just says she doesn’t remember why. If I was accused of something I didn’t do I would fight to prove my innocence not just say I don’t remember. I’m shocked what I’ve read today my heart break for all the babies involved and their families.
I know it’s late so you can reply to me tomorrow but can we have a discussion about the insulin poisoning? I know we need to hear the specific evidence. But the prosecution say the medical experts and Lucy all agree it can’t have been accidental for a number of reasons (in the live reporting).
So is everyone here in agreement that somebody, whether Lucy or someone else, attempted to murder those two babies?
What do we think the defence will say about this?
but can we have a discussion about the insulin poisoning? I know we need to hear the specific evidence. But the prosecution say the medical experts and Lucy all agree it can’t have been accidental for a number of reasons (in the live reporting).So is everyone here in agreement that somebody, whether Lucy or someone else, attempted to murder those two babies?
What do we think the defence will say about this?
MBP is now generally referred to as fabricated or induced illness. Also factitious disorder. I’ve only met one patient diagnosed with it in 17 years and she had been all over the country in multiple hospitals, had subjected herself to all kinds of invasive treatments for so called severe respiratory disease that didn’t actually exist. I think it’s far too early in the case to know but like most of us I have my suspicions and if she is found guilty I’d be really surprised if there isn’t more to hear about her psychiatric history. I do wonder if she’s had a psychiatric assessment already????
It states that Child F was prescribed insulin for high blood sugar. I think the defence will lean towards a drug error for this one. So many gaps in the story though... when was the insulin infusion discontinued? Prior to that day or on that day? If on that day, there is room for error.I know it’s late so you can reply to me tomorrow
So is everyone here in agreement that somebody, whether Lucy or someone else, attempted to murder those two babies?
What do we think the defence will say about this?
Also, they sound very certain that a TPN bag was used to maliciously administer insulin. This is all speculation, in my opinion. They did not test the bag, there is no concrete evidence that the bag was tampered with, and there is clear documentation that 2 nurses checked and hung that bag (LL and one other).
Infusion bags and giving sets do have injection ports, but these are not used in neonates to eliminate the risk of introducing infection (assuming this is the same practice in all units?). To access these ports would be very very risky, as you'd have no explanation for doing so.
Fascinating case. My Dad had a colleague in med school who joked about hurting patients when he qualified. Dad recorded him twice within 2 weeks saying it and handed it into the head of the school and the Gardai. He was expelled from med school after a full psych evaluation. Best thing my dads ever done.
Exactly my thoughts. Easy targets. As were the vast majority of Shipman’s victims - elderly so less suspicion when dropped dead due to old age. Many killers target the vulnerable. Do it once. Oh no one has noticed. Liked that. Again then.
I'm well and truly on the fence. Yes, the evidence is damning but - I want to wait and hear the defence before forming a solid opinion.
Did she live alone?
Did anyone else have access to the device she used to look these details up?
Has she been psych evaluated (to cover off dementia / disassociative disorder [or whatever it's called?] / anything else that could have played a part)?
This seems to make sense actually. An accidental one some time before. This would also explain the job advert asking for a detective in June of this year to investigate baby deaths under this operation name for the next three years. These are the ones they know about in this one year time frame so that’s why the trial is happening now, but they still want to go back further. Didn’t she grad in 2011, so they need 2011-2015 looking at.
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