I think the point that the poster was making was that MBP is an incredibly complex illness and most patients show evidence of this prior to it advancing to a more sinister stage.how is anything you've just said relevant to this case?
I think it depends on context. I don’t think I’m queen of nursing or a superhero or anything but I’ve definitely said that before. 🫣 Aware it sounds patronising or superior now looking back, but I’ve never meant it in that way. Just to reassure anxious relatives, or to encourage them to take a break. I also think nurses are forever not trusted (lots of relatives only want the surgeon caring for the patient 24/7 and to only get updates from doctors or are surprised that we are also educated etc) so maybe there’s a part of me trying to prove that we (I) can be trusted, as often we are the only ones they see for long periods of time, I don’t know…In all my years 31 of them working for the NHS I have never ever heard anyone say 'trust me I'm a nurse' to a patient. Just saying.
This is what gets me, thinking of the poor families. The first death happened in 2015, that’s 7 years ago now. In my head I imagine the babies parents accepting their baby died of natural causes and spending years building their lives back up despite grief and trauma. For some parents, this grief may have been the end of their marriage or relationship (I know this is a weird point but my close friend lost her 2 year old child due to hospital negligence - not at all related to this case - and the grief actually lead to her and her husband divorcing). You never get over it but they would have built up a level of acceptance and (I hope) found happiness and new perspectives.I really feel for those parents of the babies having to sit through or listen to the case. It's bad enough and painful enough just listening to the news reports.
They've only been papped once holding hands.You mean their ADULT DAUGHTER.
I’m sure they needs lots of support but holding hands going in and out of court for six months? No that's not contrived at all
More like they’ve been told to hold hands to make them look like a loving family who couldn’t raise an evil daughter. All part of helping Lucy look better and I don’t care for the aesthetics behind it.
majority of her pictures are all social pictures too, at gigs or out drinking.There are a lot of she was a loner posts in here and maybe that led to it. Yet she was on a holiday in Ibiza? It’s not really a place socially awkward loners go on holiday. I had started to think that about her too so the Ibiza holiday has thrown me
It also seems crazy she would go there on holiday and come back the next day and murder a baby
She didn't call them in, alarms went off and nurses were alerted and they came rushing in.She did though, I read that she called in doctors saying things like 'he's going', telling other colleagues a baby 'looked rubbish in the morning' and then deteriorated quickly. It sounds like a mixture of God complex and Munchausens
I think it’s way too early to say this given we are not even into the evidence yet.I really think that there will end up being a hung jury on some of the charges and in a case like this the judge likely won't take a majority and will want a unanimous verdict, meaning some, possibly all, will need to be retried!
Oh my Gosh Tofino, have you done all of this yourself? This is amazing! You've put so much info on there already!Yes I’m wondering if I will live to regret taking it on! But I’m motivated as it will help me too.
I will be keeping it as a high level summary, I will probably just leave it at opening statements for prosecution and defence and not get bogged down in the evidence.
I’ve made a start anyway. I’ll ask for the pink button to be added.
Lucy Letby Case Wiki
This wiki is about the trial of Nurse Lucy Letby who was charged with the murder and attempted murder of 17 babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital, between June 2015 and June 2016. There are 22 charges in total, 7 murder and 15 attempted murder. Lucy pleaded not guilty to all charges and...tattle.life
What is your problem?how is anything you've just said relevant to this case?
My legal experience wasn’t in criminal cases (it was in family law) BUT I’m pretty sure the defence will know exactly what evidence the prosecution has in order to form their defence.Just caught up with everything. I think like everyone has said it’s only been the beginning for the prosecution. It’s like a slow release. I strongly believe they will drop a massive bomb nearing the end! This is all “setting the scene “ for something bigger that hasn’t been made public.
The poster said the midwife asked her permission to tag her and asked for her Facebook details - I was paraphrasing with keeping in touch because another poster said they were also asked to keep in touch. (Having each other’s Facebook details is keeping in touch IMO)The poster never said the nurse asked to stay in touch. The glaringly obvious looks like you’ve already decided LL's guilt without hearing any evidence. Remember, the only difference between those two nurses at the moment is that one’s been accused of terrible crimes.
The point was how facts can be twisted to suit someone’s narrative. God forbid any of us being accused of murder and our posts here being spun negatively.
It will be interesting tomorrow when the defence starts and hopefully we'll get some context, until then????
Yes I’d really like to see the monthly morbidity and mortality meeting minutes. Where they go into each death and scrutinise, examine and explain every action. Then grade the care given and see if anything needs following up. Would be interesting for sure.I know this is a bit of a given and been said so many times but HOW ON EARTH did so many babies die and suffer before it got suspicious?!?? I mentioned I worked on a geriatric ward for a while and even when somebody who was really old and ill died, the death was still reviewed to make sure all correct procedures were followed and there was no suspicion. The families were often really strict making reports to the cqc and wanting these deaths properly investigated, and I’m talking deaths of patients who were sometimes like 100 years old, had heart failure, had had strokes, struggled to swallow etc… my point is, I can only imagine how distraught new parents would be in this situation and how much they’d want to know exactly why their child died… I just don’t understand how it all went on for so long
Not being impatient at all. I know how courts work, I've attended lots of Crown Court trials for lot of heinous crimes, most recently a historic child sexual abuse case. My prediction on the very first day is usually right.I think it’s way too early to say this given we are not even into the evidence yet.
I get people are impatient but we are 3 days into a 6 month trial here.
if you are going to do this……pace yourself. You have a long way to go
I’m thinking the opposite. Guilty or not she will be found not guilty of murder. In order to secure a murder conviction they’re going to have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that she did this, there’s probably lots of evidence that says she could have done it but they would need solid proof. Forensic evidence wouldn’t exist. I assume no witness will stand up and say they saw her physically do it (that would cause more issues for the witness even if it was true) and finally they would need to provide intent, motive and premeditation. I honestly don’t think it’s possible. They may end up securing a manslaughter charge on the basis of medical negligence perhaps? That’s just my opinion though I’m happy to stand corrected.Guilty or not, she'll be found guilty. Firstly there's the expert statement despite no PM and then there's statistics. That hospital won't want to admit their failings.
And the Facebook searches and stuff at her home. I'm just baffled the hospital didn't do anything. They shouldn't be allowed to care for premature babies.
My parents have been married 50 years, have 2 grown up daughters, grandchildren and still hold hands daily. As a teenager i found it awkward, as am adult adorable.You mean their ADULT DAUGHTER.
I’m sure they needs lots of support but holding hands going in and out of court for six months? No that's not contrived at all
More like they’ve been told to hold hands to make them look like a loving family who couldn’t raise an evil daughter. All part of helping Lucy look better and I don’t care for the aesthetics behind it.
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