Just watched 40 seconds and she's so rude!
Jack Monroe #74 The 19th most important gay in 2014
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Yessss you’re right, like there’s an actual subject beyond the children themselves? Like the “product” is the meal and recipe not... haha isn’t family life CraZEEee / look at what we wear / my child did a poo all of which feel like a creepy invasion of privacy? Thinking about it I don’t disagree with junior bake off or that Lego competition either, or kids on kids TV or in theatre, arguably these all involve kids to engage a younger audience too like @Ninch55 says!Ooh interesting. I think, for me, all of Jamie Oliver's children have always been in the public eye to some extent due to his fame. So with Buddy (and JO's last two TV series) it feels controlled (in a good way!) to me. We are seeing what they want us to see rather than prying into their private lives and Buddy obviously LOVES cooking and presenting - he has a natural flair and is very good. It's clearly something he enjoys at the moment and JO fans get what feels like a glimpse into their family life. Does that make sense?
I could only take about 10 seconds as I just cannot bear to listen to her awful voice.
It makes me feel quite ill for some reason.
If her MH was as bad as she claims it is, would friends and family let it play out on social media the way it does? I've always thought her "I'm mad, me" schtick was just that, a schtick. By all accounts, she's like a field mouse in real life. I reckon it's a plain and simple social media addiction. She gets carried away into these frenzies where she shares far too much, lies and exaggerates and thinks she's being really entertaining and funny to an adoring audience.
I think one significant difference is that Buddy Oliver clearly has a professional team and support around him, helping him put together the videos and making sure it’s all done properly. They probably manage his SM too. He’ll also be getting advice from his dad, who has decades of experience and has also managed his brand very successfully.Thinking about the Oliver junior thing and trying to unpick my own thoughts... I don’t know why I’m not horrified by him having a YouTube channel? I’m very anti children on social channels & especially the poor workhorse influencer children.
I don’t know if this is an acceptable opinion and tbh it feels classist of me to say as a lot of what makes it more comfortable hinges on their wealth and celebrity? Like the Olivers clearly don’t need the cash so it’s not as if he’s being pimped out like say the mother of daughters kids were to supplement a “normal” income? In all likelihood he’s having any cash he earns put aside & they’re building him a skill set / presence for a future career that he’ll inevitably step into with training, guidance and a healthy dose of media nepotism? Whereas the influencer kids are diminished if anything, like their childhood a depleting resource mined & shipped to the masses for free Regetta rain suits & kitchens?
But my hypocrisy there definitely doesn’t sit right with me (especially as it favours the rich) & ultimately I don’t know how I feel about it either way really? What does the coven think?!
Whereas most young instagrammers are just doing it themselves, so they’re more prone to making mistakes, or being exploited by a parent who just wants their kid to be famous etc.
So today I have learned that Jack was as much an arse 4 years ago as she is today.
I can't feel sorry for her. She has consciously done so many bad things. The kitten was the clincher but the kickstarter fraud, the disparaging way she speaks about her son, the possessive way she pass agg treated Louisa, tip jar, shameless poverty beg and lies. Ugh too much to list really. In short still an arse then.
I can't feel sorry for her. She has consciously done so many bad things. The kitten was the clincher but the kickstarter fraud, the disparaging way she speaks about her son, the possessive way she pass agg treated Louisa, tip jar, shameless poverty beg and lies. Ugh too much to list really. In short still an arse then.
Yes, absolutely
. I really warmed to JO again (after going off him for a few years) after the THAT MAN debacle and his subsequent Keep Cooking and Carry On series. Yes, we did see his family in that series (and the current one) but it was, and still is, all done around the food being preparing, family meal times etc and just so bloody lovely, wholesome and soothing!I am VERY susceptible to secondhand embarrassment
and get none of that from JO's new stuff or anything Buddy has done. I am aware that to an extent, some of the TV series 'family time' stuff, (not Buddy's vids) will be to sell books. But I also think JO is very good at reading what the public want and has an amazing team around him.ETA - ASPIRATIONAL is the word I was grasping for!
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I think Buddy is the only one interested in cooking and he started helping his Dad and it grew from there ? So organic rather than calculated? I remember in the lockdown show being surprised he was there helping JO and was actually a help IYCWIM and clearly used to it ? I guess for JO it’s nice to spend time together cooking I assume his own slot sort of grew from there ? It’s how JO was with his parents pub ?Thinking about the Oliver junior thing and trying to unpick my own thoughts... I don’t know why I’m not horrified by him having a YouTube channel? I’m very anti children on social channels & especially the poor workhorse influencer children.
I don’t know if this is an acceptable opinion and tbh it feels classist of me to say as a lot of what makes it more comfortable hinges on their wealth and celebrity? Like the Olivers clearly don’t need the cash so it’s not as if he’s being pimped out like say the mother of daughters kids were to supplement a “normal” income? In all likelihood he’s having any cash he earns put aside & they’re building him a skill set / presence for a future career that he’ll inevitably step into with training, guidance and a healthy dose of media nepotism? Whereas the influencer kids are diminished if anything, like their childhood a depleting resource mined & shipped to the masses for free Regetta rain suits & kitchens?
But my hypocrisy there definitely doesn’t sit right with me (especially as it favours the rich
Oooh, what a good idea. And when we review a cook book... that could come under the Cookclub category!Afternoon you hateful lot
Has anyone else finished Adam Buxton's book yet? Eager to discuss!
It's incredibly off topic soooooo.....to bring it back around....we could start a 'authors who are better than Jack Monroe' bookclub?
Going away on holiday for a week in a caravan doesn’t make you poor. Never ever going away, maybe.
That’s all the holidays me and my school friends went on. Almost no one went abroad (80s). We all had a working dad and maybe a mum who worked a few hours. We didn’t have loads but had enough. Honestly, that’s normal, just not normal now.
That’s all the holidays me and my school friends went on. Almost no one went abroad (80s). We all had a working dad and maybe a mum who worked a few hours. We didn’t have loads but had enough. Honestly, that’s normal, just not normal now.
Buddy Oliver is so obviously as evangelical about cooking and eating well as his father. He is a personable, lovely, funny kid who gets great enjoyment from doing the videos. The new cooking club for kids is brilliant! It's wonderful to see cooking being demystified and to see children from all around the world enthusiastically chopping and frying. He has this platform because of his father, but I see no danger of him being exploited. It's interesting to see that the older girls don't feature in the videos. I think that the Beckhams are a delightfully close family, but they do monetise their children somewhat. I don't get that vibe from Jamie (Idon't know about Jools).Thinking about the Oliver junior thing and trying to unpick my own thoughts... I don’t know why I’m not horrified by him having a YouTube channel? I’m very anti children on social channels & especially the poor workhorse influencer children.
I don’t know if this is an acceptable opinion and tbh it feels classist of me to say as a lot of what makes it more comfortable hinges on their wealth and celebrity? Like the Olivers clearly don’t need the cash so it’s not as if he’s being pimped out like say the mother of daughters kids were to supplement a “normal” income? In all likelihood he’s having any cash he earns put aside & they’re building him a skill set / presence for a future career that he’ll inevitably step into with training, guidance and a healthy dose of media nepotism? Whereas the influencer kids are diminished if anything, like their childhood a depleting resource mined & shipped to the masses for free Regetta rain suits & kitchens?
But my hypocrisy there definitely doesn’t sit right with me (especially as it favours the rich
Interesting how she speaks of her home circumstances no mention of the five bed house or the Range Rover or the ballet lessons Playing down her father’s position in the fire service
just she didn’t have a pony or fancy holidays or a lilac Mercedes and was dropped off in the fire service white transit
I feel the same and I think it’s because he’s clearly doing it for his own enjoyment no sign of him being pushed or of his everyday life or privacy being plundered for likes. Don’t think you’re being classist as I’d stick the SODs in the same wealth and status bracket as the Olivers reallyThinking about the Oliver junior thing and trying to unpick my own thoughts... I don’t know why I’m not horrified by him having a YouTube channel? I’m very anti children on social channels & especially the poor workhorse influencer children.
I don’t know if this is an acceptable opinion and tbh it feels classist of me to say as a lot of what makes it more comfortable hinges on their wealth and celebrity? Like the Olivers clearly don’t need the cash so it’s not as if he’s being pimped out like say the mother of daughters kids were to supplement a “normal” income? In all likelihood he’s having any cash he earns put aside & they’re building him a skill set / presence for a future career that he’ll inevitably step into with training, guidance and a healthy dose of media nepotism? Whereas the influencer kids are diminished if anything, like their childhood a depleting resource mined & shipped to the masses for free Regetta rain suits & kitchens?
But my hypocrisy there definitely doesn’t sit right with me (especially as it favours the rich
Oooh yes! I remember when Buddy appeared during the series and I grabbed the remote thinking 'Argghhhhhh. Cringe time, I can't look'. Within a couple of seconds I was FINE! He was actually helping his Dad with the prep and it was lovely to watch.
Although I don’t really agree or like to speculate on this I completely understand where you’re coming from and that concern for the child is at the centre of it, we can all only come from our own experiences and I like to think that being able to discuss these things and agree to disagree pleasantly is what sets us apart from Jack & what she accuses us of x
Oh definitely. I've seen lots of posts on this and other threads that have changed what was previously a stalwart opinion of mine.
I certainly at time live in my own little bubble as I am sure lots of us do and I firmly believe seeing the opinions of others and having yours challenged is a very positive thing x
What a bleeping horrible voice for radio
She is so full of bullshit!! I've just watched up to the point where she mentioned not having rich Grammar School schoolfriends back to her home and I got so mad that I had to go and pour a large glass of wine. My children went to independent schools for which we scrimped and saved (despite bursaries), going without new clothes and doing without holidays for years and years. Our last family holiday was when they were under 10 years old, but they had very happy childhoods and had great relationships with their schoolfriends. Yes, some of the schoolfriends travelled by private plane, one even had a private island in Greece!! The majority of their friends came from families wealthier than ours, but some didn't. The mother of one of my son's friends was a cleaner. The father of another friend was a diamond trader. Their schools were in outer London/Essex. I took some of the rich friends to Pontins on a Sun voucher. Others stayed in my parents caravan in Clacton. All the kids got along just fine. She is talking absolute bollocks.
Oh, and I became friends with lots of the parents and we socialised despite our very different circumstances. All this garbage makes me puke!
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She needs the same voice coach as David Beckham?
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