Jack Monroe #26 Jack be bitter, Jack be quick, Jack stop being such a dick.

TheDragonWithAFlagon · Jun 15, 2020

PeonyApple said:
What she calls creativity just sounds like mania.

200 units a week is the equivalent of 14 cans of lager a day or about 2.5 litres of wine.

It's more than 6 cans of Tennents Extra a day. Doable in terms of volume, but one of my exes, a stockily built man, was both completely dependent and paralytic 24 hours a day on less than that. If she'd been doing that much, not only would she have been bright yellow and have cirrhosis already (as he did), SB would have been in care/with his father or grandparents for his own safety. It was an absolutely bloody waste, as he was relatively intelligent and was kind when sober, but turned into an abusive, controlling prick with the sole intention of making sure he had unlimited access to the tramp juice. He did two stints in hospital detox, as he had already sustained brain damage (on scan) from unscheduled withdrawals and one residential rehab for 12 weeks - by the time I'd finally extricated myself from the pathetic Woe is MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and his ability to make me feel as though I was kicking a puppy after a couple of years, he'd managed to;-

Make himself homeless, as he gave notice on his flat, thinking it would force me to let him move in
Put a 94 year old man in hospital from driving aggressively towards him at speed, so the poor man fell over when trying to get across the road
Alienate family permanently
Practically put me under house arrest because I was apparently going to pick up men if I left the house to buy milk
Steal, steal, steal
Pass out when babysitting his sister's kids when she was at a hospital appointment, leaving a 3 and 4 year old in charge of a baby
Get me fired from work
Steal my prescription painkillers so I had nothing for six months until the expected period had elapsed
Lose his licence (that he shouldn't have had anyway)
Threaten to throw me out of a moving vehicle when I realised he'd been drinking
Written off three cars
Rape me in my sleep, probably on multiple occasions
Smash or sell anything I had that was nice
Hassle me constantly
Break into my new house that I moved to precisely because I didn't want him around
Pretend to attempt suicide in front of me when ostensibly collecting the last of his stuff - I caught him rehearsing the scene I'd find coming down the stairs because he didn't hear me. The plan was I'd see the attempt and stop it in panic, there would be tears, he'd get to move in - I picked him up and threw him out, telling him he wasn't going to ruin my new carpet

And I daresay his 'story' is that the big bad ex bullied him, made him homeless and was out every day picking up strange men.

There's no way a week of cleaning would have resulted in a symptom free abstinence on 200 units a week. It would have resulted in an emergency hospital admission.

Silver Linings · Jun 15, 2020

TheDragonWithAFlagon said:
It's more than 6 cans of Tennents Extra a day. Doable in terms of volume, but one of my exes, a stockily built man, was both completely dependent and paralytic 24 hours a day on less than that. If she'd been doing that much, not only would she have been bright yellow and have cirrhosis already (as he did), SB would have been in care/with his father or grandparents for his own safety. It was an absolutely bloody waste, as he was relatively intelligent and was kind when sober, but turned into an abusive, controlling prick with the sole intention of making sure he had unlimited access to the tramp juice. He did two stints in hospital detox, as he had already sustained brain damage (on scan) from unscheduled withdrawals and one residential rehab for 12 weeks - by the time I'd finally extricated myself from the pathetic Woe is MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and his ability to make me feel as though I was kicking a puppy after a couple of years, he'd managed to;-

Make himself homeless, as he gave notice on his flat, thinking it would force me to let him move in
Put a 94 year old man in hospital from driving aggressively towards him at speed, so the poor man fell over when trying to get across the road
Alienate family permanently
Practically put me under house arrest because I was apparently going to pick up men if I left the house to buy milk
Steal, steal, steal
Pass out when babysitting his sister's kids when she was at a hospital appointment, leaving a 3 and 4 year old in charge of a baby
Get me fired from work
Steal my prescription painkillers so I had nothing for six months until the expected period had elapsed
Lose his licence (that he shouldn't have had anyway)
Threaten to throw me out of a moving vehicle when I realised he'd been drinking
Written off three cars
Rape me in my sleep, probably on multiple occasions
Smash or sell anything I had that was nice
Hassle me constantly
Break into my new house that I moved to precisely because I didn't want him around
Pretend to attempt suicide in front of me when ostensibly collecting the last of his stuff - I caught him rehearsing the scene I'd find coming down the stairs because he didn't hear me. The plan was I'd see the attempt and stop it in panic, there would be tears, he'd get to move in - I picked him up and threw him out, telling him he wasn't going to ruin my new carpet

And I daresay his 'story' is that the big bad ex bullied him, made him homeless and was out every day picking up strange men.

There's no way a week of cleaning would have resulted in a symptom free abstinence on 200 units a week. It would have resulted in an emergency hospital admission.

Oh, Dragon.
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emm · Jun 15, 2020

Motherwellgirl said:
Sorry if I sound harsh here. But if she got a 5 figure sum for the Hellmans gig and very well paid for the daily kitchen gig. Why is she still taking money from her fans? I actually couldn’t believe it when she started selling pictures on twitter. She’s got a decent amount of money salted away clearly. If she ever fell on hard times she would need to do what other people do in these cases. Claim universal credit. If she wants to keep her website going then she should pay for it herself.

There are a few people who have made thousands and more on twitter. Some by pleading poverty. It’s wrong. She’s not poor, nowhere near it. She was poor ten years ago and yes being in poverty leaves you with a feeling that you don’t want to go back there. But it’s not up to her fans to pay her bills.

And the I’ve done loads of stuff for free line doesn’t wash with me either. I know lots of people who have.

It’s absolutely obscene to be paid five figure sums for a few weeks work. More than some people live on in a year (me included) and still expect fans to subsidise you.

It’s not even a few weeks is he insane thing, it’s like 4 hours of live content with very minimal prep it seems

Harrybosch · Jun 15, 2020

Spanner said:
RIGHT??? Jack was never on my radar really, other than thinking she was doing a good thing. I was never interested in her recipes but I thought good on her for the campaigning. And then I read an interview where she said she was drinking TWO HUNDRED UNITS A WEEK and my bullshit detector was enabled. And then I read up and found all the other stuff on here

200 units a week is such bullshit. That would mean a full bottle of vodka every single day! Or 3 bottles of wine every single day. I just refuse to believe that a small woman can drink that much and function normally in any meaningful way. Surely it would take years and years to get to that level of tolerance?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I have no direct experience of alcoholism, unless you count getting pissed up in a friend's garden.

Blurp · Jun 15, 2020

Motherwellgirl said:
I don’t live in tower block housing. I live in 4 in a block. There are a couple of towers in the housing scheme I live in, one a sheltered one. I believe the properties here don’t have similar cladding to Grenfell but the towers have had sprinkler systems and heat resistant pads in the walls put in.

My experience is much the same as yours re BAME residents living here.

We don’t bid up here. It’s points based.

Same here (also Scotland). The three tower blocks in the town near me were all upgraded pre-Grenfell but they now all have night-time concierges for extra safety and monitoring, as well as help evacuating if necessary. When I was applying for social housing, I had the opportunity to choose what types I wanted and I didn't tick multis; I got a four in a block in my village (ex-mining, bad reputation outside the area but fab as a resident). There is at least one multi in the town further away that was built as older people's accommodation but that has lessened as flats were bought and then sold. The racial mix throughout different types of social housing is roughly comparable with the racial mix of the area, with families being allocated houses and four in a block with gardens etc.

Spanner · Jun 15, 2020

I’ve posted it before but I think it was back in the day of thread one! Here is the article so her fans can’t claim we’re making it up

Food writer Jack Monroe celebrates a year of sobriety

Jack Monroe, 31, bravely opened up about her drinking habits in a frank article in the Observer, revealing she would use alcohol as a crutch for dealing with fame.

www.dailymail.co.uk

chocolate choux · Jun 15, 2020

Motherwellgirl said:
Her ex partner was apparently a great support to her re her alcoholism, possibly why she seems to be struggling just now.

Obviously not going to question the assault claims because that’s out of order and beyond the morals of even this vicious troll but I find the other details of her alcoholism dubious to say the least. 200 units a week is very questionable but not way beyond the realm of physical possibility (afaik?). What’s unlikely is being able to conduct this in secret while still working and socialising, I don’t think there would be enough hours in the day. Also ‘secret’ drinking but frequent ‘boozy lunches’ leading to her getting wasted with others doesn’t add up? Like was it public or not?

I understand that alcoholism (& indeed addiction by nature) is often secretive but there are so many contradictions in her story

Begborrowsteal · Jun 15, 2020

With alcohol, at my worst, I was drinking up to 3 bottles of wine a night. I shudder looking back at that. Though that would last a couple of weeks before id give my head a wobble and stay off it.. then go back. And repeat

Nottonightbabe · Jun 15, 2020

Harrybosch said:
200 units a week is such bullshit. That would mean a full bottle of vodka every single day! Or 3 bottles of wine every single day. I just refuse to believe that a small woman can drink that much and function normally in any meaningful way. Surely it would take years and years to get to that level of tolerance?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I have no direct experience of alcoholism, unless you count getting pissed up in a friend's garden.

I'm going to hold my hands up here and say - I have likely done 200 units in a week, more than once. And I'm not a spirit drinker, wine and cider only. I do have a very high tolerance to alcohol (won't go into the complete ins and outs of my relationship with alcohol as I don't want to rattle on about myself). But what I would say, is that no way would it be a sustainable, week upon week thing. Your body wouldn't function. You'd be completely dehydrated, stripped of vitamins and minerals. Devoid completely of energy, mentally and physically. Wouldnt be able to care for yourself, let alone anyone else. And if you do drink 200 units in a week, no you can't just stop one day, it doesn't work like that. At best your body's response to no longer being sedated by alcohol would cause all manner of horrid withdrawal symptoms, at worst it can be fatal.

MancBee · Jun 15, 2020

Begborrowsteal said:
How great would it be if those with kids under 12 didnt get housed in tower blocks lol. Theres shit loads where I am. They cant build out, so they build up. I know of quite a few families in tower blocks. Including a single mother with arthritis & 2 young children living on the top floor with no lift.

I think you are mistaking the meaning behind my post. Though high rise living for families doesn't seem a problem in many cultures in cities across the globe.

JM is blaming racism for the Grenfell Tower disaster (to be fair to her, the same as many others). The fire could just as easily happened in one of the many tower blocks in Salford, with predominantly white residents. In fact there had been fires and concerns had been raised. And we are still living in flats covered in the stuff!

This is not a racist issue, it is not even a poverty issue (there are high end flats in Salford covered in the stuff). It is about failure of the safety standards which ultimately lies at the feet of the government.

But JM has to jump on the populist bandwagon to gain validation of her white saviour status. She worked for the fire service, for a couple of years (answering the phones for fucks sake) so she is an expert. Don't bother with an enquiry, just ask her, she knows everything about it. She's even got a copy of the plans, which I am sure she has a full understanding of too.

Nottonightbabe · Jun 15, 2020

Begborrowsteal said:
With alcohol, at my worst, I was drinking up to 3 bottles of wine a night. I shudder looking back at that. Though that would last a couple of weeks before id give my head a wobble and stay off it.. then go back. And repeat

Binge, abstain, repeat. I feel you

choccydigestive · Jun 15, 2020

chocolate choux said:
Obviously not going to question the assault claims because that’s out of order and beyond the morals of even this vicious troll but I find the other details of her alcoholism dubious to say the least. 200 units a week is very questionable but not way beyond the realm of physical possibility (afaik?). What’s unlikely is being able to conduct this in secret while still working and socialising, I don’t think there would be enough hours in the day. Also ‘secret’ drinking but frequent ‘boozy lunches’ leading to her getting wasted with others doesn’t add up? Like was it public or not?

I understand that alcoholism (& indeed addiction by nature) is often secretive but there are so many contradictions in her story

Yes, and added to this altho it may seem insensitive is the question on how that amount of alcohol was affordable when she was on low income?

OT but have seen cooking chat on here, so thought I would say that I made a Nadiya recipe after it popped up on ads here over the weekend. Peanut butter and jelly traybake and it was delicious!

TheDragonWithAFlagon · Jun 15, 2020

choccydigestive said:
Yes, and added to this altho it may seem insensitive is the question on how that amount of alcohol was affordable when she was on low income?

OT but have seen cooking chat on here, so thought I would say that I made a Nadiya recipe after it popped up on ads here over the weekend. Peanut butter and jelly traybake and it was delicious!

It would potentially answer why a tip jar was so important. Six hundred quid a month buys an awful lot of booze - it's about twenty quid a day. Add in smoking (as vaping seems to be something she does and nobody except for particularly stupid teenagers start vaping unless they're already smokers), a tenner a day for fags and a tenner for drink would about cover it, I suppose.

Saturn. · Jun 15, 2020

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Silver Linings · Jun 15, 2020

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yes, absolutely.

LavaFlake · Jun 15, 2020

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Retweeting your own tweet is the equivalent of liking your own Facebook status. Narcissistic as hell.

Flumps · Jun 15, 2020

Can I whinge? I'm going to. My partner has just been told he's lost his job. This fucks up, well, every plan we've been making and is a complete blow, especially to him. And I feel like I've handled it exceptionally badly, because it made me so sad for him that I wasn't at all cheering about it on the phone. And he is miles away, and has the car, and I can't drive anyway, because of weird head-spinny-ness, so I can't see him. And now I feel like an idiot and so sad for him. It just all sucks. He has taken blow after blow over the last few years and I just wish the world would stop taking pot-shots at him. Please.

Begborrowsteal · Jun 15, 2020

MancBee said:
I think you are mistaking the meaning behind my post. Though high rise living for families doesn't seem a problem in many cultures in cities across the globe.

JM is blaming racism for the Grenfell Tower disaster (to be fair to her, the same as many others). The fire could just as easily happened in one of the many tower blocks in Salford, with predominantly white residents. In fact there had been fires and concerns had been raised. And we are still living in flats covered in the stuff!

This is not a racist issue, it is not even a poverty issue (there are high end flats in Salford covered in the stuff). It is about failure of the safety standards which ultimately lies at the feet of the government.

But JM has to jump on the populist bandwagon to gain validation of her white saviour status. She worked for the fire service, for a couple of years (answering the phones for fucks sake) so she is an expert. Don't bother with an enquiry, just ask her, she knows everything about it. She's even got a copy of the plans, which I am sure she has a full understanding of too.

I lived near Grenfell, I struggle to believe it wasnt about poverty/class/race. If the residents were held in higher regard, I believe the works would have been done and the conditions would have been much better.

Nottonightbabe said:
Binge, abstain, repeat. I feel you

I almost slipped back after the lying bastard, 2 bottles a night for a week. But ive put a stop to it and ive reached out for support

TheDragonWithAFlagon · Jun 15, 2020

Flumps said:
Can I whinge? I'm going to. My partner has just been told he's lost his job. This fucks up, well, every plan we've been making and is a complete blow, especially to him. And I feel like I've handled it exceptionally badly, because it made me so sad for him that I wasn't at all cheering about it on the phone. And he is miles away, and has the car, and I can't drive anyway, because of weird head-spinny-ness, so I can't see him. And now I feel like an idiot and so sad for him. It just all sucks. He has taken blow after blow over the last few years and I just wish the world would stop taking pot-shots at him. Please.

There is no right way to handle news like that. However, it's a delay, a slight hitch to your plans, not the end of them - he will get another job. He gets to lick his wounds for a short time and then he gets back out there and finds something else.

Silver Linings · Jun 15, 2020

Flumps said:
Can I whinge? I'm going to. My partner has just been told he's lost his job. This fucks up, well, every plan we've been making and is a complete blow, especially to him. And I feel like I've handled it exceptionally badly, because it made me so sad for him that I wasn't at all cheering about it on the phone. And he is miles away, and has the car, and I can't drive anyway, because of weird head-spinny-ness, so I can't see him. And now I feel like an idiot and so sad for him. It just all sucks. He has taken blow after blow over the last few years and I just wish the world would stop taking pot-shots at him. Please.

Oh no, Flumps. What terrible news. Allow yourself to feel like this, it’s not whinging at all.

Jack Monroe #26 Jack be bitter, Jack be quick, Jack stop being such a dick.

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