Jack Monroe #178 I am a human being and I make mistakes

[Shawads]

Maybe Jack needs to spend less time sending out threatening lawyer letters and get her own house in order

#thread title nomination

 

[Eurgh]

#thread title nomination

Can we add ‘and posting lion bars to strangers’

 

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[maytoseptember]

Ahhh, Morrissey before he was a mad, old racist.

He was a racist even then! There’s a song called Bengali In Platforms which goes:

“Oh, shelve your Western plans
And understand
That life is hard enough when you belong here”



I tried to ignore that 20 odd years ago when I was a big fan, but now he’s a really flagrant racist I just can’t.

 

[colouredlines]

He was a racist even then! There’s a song called Bengali In Platforms which goes:

“Oh, shelve your Western plans
And understand
That life is hard enough when you belong here”



I tried to ignore that 20 odd years ago when I was a big fan, but now he’s a really flagrant racist I just can’t.

I think it's one thing when you're a teen, but the adults who tie themselves up in knots defending Morrissey are a bit like Jack fans, aren't they?

Is there a name for this, some kind of confirmation bias? Or a sunk-cost fallacy with emotion/time invested rather than money?

 

[Shawads]

I think it's one thing when you're a teen, but the adults who tie themselves up in knots defending Morrissey are a bit like Jack fans, aren't they?

Is there a name for this, some kind of confirmation bias? Or a sunk-cost fallacy with emotion/time invested rather than money?

Cognitive dissonance.

 

[MaineCoonMama]

I think it's the latter @colouredlines. If one has put time and emotional investment into a public figure they might feel silly when that person starts being a dick, hence the defensiveness. Idk, just my thoughts on it.

 

[KingBabar]

Poor thing. Met its end in the surgery car park. Fly high with the angles little one.

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[Suffolkmum]

You'd think that having had a bad experience with stalking, she'd be more sympathetic to people who want a bit of privacy, especially when the internet is concerned. However, as always she doesn't even try to feign compassion for those less fortunate than herself.

No one is less fortunate than her.

 

[Sideboard Bob]

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[Cgenda]

Cognitive dissonance.

academic Frau here.
For those who are interested. Coping with the nuances of contradictory ideas or experiences is mentally stressful. It requires energy and effort to sit with those seemingly opposite things that all seem true. This can seen with the JM Twitter flying monkeys.
Leon Festinger argued that some people would inevitably resolve dissonance by blindly believing whatever they wanted to believe.
The more aggressive the squiggles defence is a sign of their need to believe as they invested some much in the narrative.

 

[sineadf]

He was always a bit odd. I remember when he was first out on the gay scene. Very full of himself, I had never met anyone with so much self confidence. What you would call a bit of a big head.

Puts me in mind of Jack, always thought he was deserving of better. He came from middle class background too, and resented it. Wanted to be seen as tallented working class made good. The more I think, he was very like Jack. Or should I say, given the age difference, Jack is very much like Morrisey.

Being a Dublin Frau I know some of Morrissey's extended family and his parents were solid working class, not sure I'd put them on the same comfortable level as Jack's. They were also barely off the mail boat in Holyhead when Moz was born so his rabid Little Englander direction was always a bit baffling to Irish people!

 

[TheDragonWithAFlagon]

I think it's one thing when you're a teen, but the adults who tie themselves up in knots defending Morrissey are a bit like Jack fans, aren't they?

Is there a name for this, some kind of confirmation bias? Or a sunk-cost fallacy with emotion/time invested rather than money?

For some, it's because they actually agree with them but don't want to admit it;

Morrissey says another misogynistic/racist/self absorbed and self pitying load of bollocks. Most people say 'what a misogynistic/racist/self absorbed and self pitying bleep'. Person who likes Morrissey and agrees with the misogynistic/racist/self absorbed and self pitying load of bollocks says 'Oh, he didn't mean it like that' because they know most people would then think 'So you're a misogynistic/racist/self absorbed and self pitying bleep as well'. So they have to say it wasn't what it sounded like.


But then again, my personal experience of Morrissey fans was of middleclass kids declaring they may as well die right now because their Mum wouldn't let them use her brand new Metro to go out and get stoned on the golf course on Saturday night. And then grew up to be domestic abusers.

 

[CottageWitch]

All these Blue Tickers that she converses online with are not her friends like she thinks they are. They are acquaintances at best, most she has never even seen in real life.

She says she has cooked for the likes of Mary Portas, has met countless celebrities, she has worked with many household names (no I don't mean zoflora!), and she has socialised with the media darlings at the Groucho.

However, not one of these so called friends could she ring up for a chat. Not one could she drop in for a coffee. Not one could she meet for lunch. Not one could she go shopping with. Not one would come around to hers for dinner. Not one could she see a movie with. Not one would come around for an evening and stay over. Not one could she ring for a catch up. Not one could she have a gossip with. Not one would ever ask her to do anything with them socially.

She really doesn't have any friends, never mind cleb friends.

It's the difference between work friends and actual friends isn't it? I like my work colleagues, they're great people, we chat about our lives and make each other coffee and get on well. But when I need a friend I call one of my friends not one of my colleagues (obviously some people straddle the line). I feel like Jack doesn't see the difference between work friends/business acquaintances, who you see for specific reasons (ie work), maybe go out to lunch with once in a while, say hi to on the street (or in the Groucho) and actual friends who you hang out with and laugh and cry with. It's quite sad, because I bet all these celebs she boasts as her friends view her as a business contact at most

 

[bowiethesdmn]

I’m catching up, so apols if already said.

That is the Hilaria Baldwin of paella. Oh no, hang on...she was trying to be Spanish.

The Hilaria Baldwin thing is so much funnier when you read it with Alec Baldwin's brief stint on 30 Rock as 'El Generalissimo' in mind, a 'Spanish' lookalike for Baldwin's character Jack who was just Baldwin with an accent and a tiny moustache. Ugh I do love him though

Just seen my wife off to the pub and caught myself in the mirror with my hands on my hips, face at a weird-jawline-avoiding angle and my hair slicked back and for a split second I saw Jack looking back at me. It was awful. I'm taking donations for therapy. Thankyou.

eta: misspelled thankyou

 

[MancBee]

Being a Dublin Frau I know some of Morrissey's extended family and his parents were solid working class, not sure I'd put them on the same comfortable level as Jack's.

I suppose it depends on context. Most of Manchester and Salford inner city was council housing, and the closure of docks, mines, steelworks and factories made many, many people unemployed. Poverty was everywhere. We grew up in the 60s concrete nightmares that were Hulme, Beswick, Ordsall, Salford Precinct, Collyhust etc etc. If you've never seen photographs of these places before the 90s redevelopment, I suggest you Google them, they were unbelievable. Hulme especially had been abandoned by the council and had been taken over by anarchists, while ordinary tenants tried to live amongst chaos. I grew up in view of the docks, which became more and more run down and derelict. The dereliction was everywhere.

Morrisey, in contrast, grew up in Trafford in a semi detached owned property in a leafy suburb with a librarian mother (a middle class sort of profession). I never met his father as he had left before I met him.

But like Jack, they were far better off than most of his contemporaries at the time.

 

[Readingismyhobby]

He was always a bit odd. I remember when he was first out on the gay scene. Very full of himself, I had never met anyone with so much self confidence. What you would call a bit of a big head.

Puts me in mind of Jack, always thought he was deserving of better. He came from middle class background too, and resented it. Wanted to be seen as tallented working class made good. The more I think, he was very like Jack. Or should I say, given the age difference, Jack is very much like Morrisey.

Morrisey is gay, no one told me! Shame he became racist.

 

[bowiethesdmn]

Had a bit of a heated debate with my wife recently because I came home while she was listening to The Smiths and remarked 'bleeping Morrissey?' to which she replied 'no, it's The Smiths'. God help me she's only four years younger.

eta: racism in general baffles me but especially racist gays, we know how prejudice feels come onnnn

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

academic Frau here.
For those who are interested. Coping with the nuances of contradictory ideas or experiences is mentally stressful. It requires energy and effort to sit with those seemingly opposite things that all seem true. This can seen with the JM Twitter flying monkeys.
Leon Festinger argued that some people would inevitably resolve dissonance by blindly believing whatever they wanted to believe.
The more aggressive the squiggles defence is a sign of their need to believe as they invested some much in the narrative.

Why pamper life's complexities when the leather runs smooth on the passenger seat?

 

[Captainmouse]

Poor thing. Met its end in the surgery car park. Fly high with the angles little one.

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Obviously on the way to get help