Jack Monroe #162 She slightly undercooked her pasta and lost her slot

[SoulRebel]

Meanwhile someone at Del Monte is scratching their chin.
Some viggles aren't going to let it go.

I'm quoting myself like the knob that I am, but 5, bleeping 5 comments?? And one of them doesn't have any pineapple.
I really hope that any possible future collaborators look at Jack's history and learn how damaging she can be to a brand.

 

[TheDragonWithAFlagon]

So, she didn't get around to saying anything at all after promising something this morning? Just ranting about something else entirely. Largely, herself.






Any mention of how her assaults of men are fictional dangerous because they suggest that all you need to is kick somebody in the shins and you've had the last laugh, rather than being at even greater risk of violence? That being 'proud' enough to brag about it online not only makes people who didn't do it feel tit for not fighting, it reinforces the 'well, she didn't exactly fight him off, did she?' mentality and to at least some extent, continues to normalise the fetishisation of violence and power through physical strength? Or that every man who says something in support may indeed be someone who would never do it, but that nobody ever actually knows that for sure? No, of course not. Because this is about the tip jar and the attention, nothing more.











@waffle maker , I am so sorry for your loss.

 

[Powershower]

Can't believe the green party are calling out banning men in public after dark. Yes, lets blame all men for a small percentage of bad ones. Major eye roll.

Why is Jack trying to make out her experiences are on par with the disgusting abuse trans-women receive? It's probably not. She's a bleeping joke, and the trans community do not need her sticking her neb in and speaking on their behalf.

Oooooooo my piss is well and truly boiled today!

I do agree it’s not a valid suggestion and the way it’s framed is not going to win any support but really it’s not so far removed from what women are/aren’t told to do. I don’t know if I’m being naive but I feel like this was more the MP saying if you think this is a ridiculous suggestion then look at the hoops women have to jump through when out and about. Of course the fact that it was snapped up by the DM doesn’t help!

And the fact that jack is now trying to insert herself into the conversation is upsetting but not surprising.

ETA: I am about as on time as hot topic Jack. @bladiesla said it better than me

 

[Harrybosch]

Yeah, what we were really waiting for was bot to to add even more value to the debate.

The bot needs to duck off.

 

[bazzam]

The bot needs to duck off.

duck off back to his comic book store.

 

[Funsizes]

Why doesnt she try making a point first and then we can decide whether its gentle, nuanced, or nothing of the sort...

 

[Into_the_tunnel]

The bot needs to duck off.

Aye.

(I don’t mean to joke but today is overload on every forum, it is hard to ignore.)

 

[Harrybosch]

duck off back to his comic book store.

Honestly, the absolute last person I want to hear from today is the bot. He's part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[LennyBriscoe]

My dad died suddenly this morning- we were expecting him to gradually recover from his stroke and go home to mum, but he had a heart attack in the care home and they couldn’t revive him. He liked to argue with people online about local politics. He thought anyone who disagreed with him was a troll, like Jack does. He was a massive Tory though.

There’s nothing to do as I can’t travel to the UK because of quarantine etc. I feel a bit weird scrolling through Tattle but what are you supposed to do? The new normal is rubbish.

Sending you and your family lots of love @waffle maker, so sorry for your loss

 

[xoxo]

Even though I follow her tweets (relatively) carefully, I have no idea what she's on about today.

Bring back the endless anchoïade, says I.

 

[Billybellend]

Will she remember the chicken?

Will someone ever liberate the fish?

 

[Billybellend]

Ohhhh....unless AFAB means ‘assigned flounder at birth’? That would explain why they’re held in a kind of reverential stasis, in the freezer...

 

[Cgenda]

@waffle maker sending you love and light from my home by the sea. Very stormy here today. Do whatever feels right for you. However, annoying, old, loved or distant a loved one is. I have found that grief doesn’t end in 48 hours; you will be mourning and honoring the loss throughout your life. In your lifetime, you will go through waves of different feelings and that is normal.

 

[Vroo]

This is a little OT, and I want to make it clear that I am not referring to any particular incident. However, that Jay Rayner tweet - and so many others like it, which mention women being scared but not what we're scared of - really pissed me off. Feel free to skip over this if you like (my point is neither gentle nor nuanced, sorry).

Spoiler: male violence

If I could encourage you all to make one change in the way you discuss violence against women and girls, it would be this: use the active, rather than passive, voice. Women are killed makes it seem like some unseen force is killing us, or that it is our unlucky destiny to be killed. Men are killing women gives a far clearer idea of what the problem is.

This may seem like semantics, but it really isn't. A few reasons why:

1) When we use the passive voice, we allow room for misinterpretation. There was a huge news story here two years ago: in the Spanish state, we have a specific category of crime called gender violence, and we reached the point where 1000 men killed their partners since that category was created. Literally every news outlet reported this as 1000 women killed by their partners. I actually had a huge argument with a friend about this manner of reporting; he insisted that I was wrong, because oooh, maybe some of those partners were lesbians? None were, but by removing men from the story, the issue is obfuscated.

2) It encourages victim blaming. Language is powerful, and when we say "a woman has been raped" we are centering her in a way that is inappropriate. "A man has raped a woman" reminds us of what has actually happened.

3) Related to this: when we focus on the perpetrators, we can make progress toward a solution. Read this article to see what I mean - it neatly disspells the myth of men snapping and killing their partners out of the blue in a fit of rage. Patterns like the one highlighted here can only be identified when we look at the perpetrator, not the victim.

4) It removes vagueness. We see something very similar with racism. Last year, during the BLM protests, there was a lot of hand-wringing but not a lot of progress. That's because saying "black lives matter" or "racism is everywhere" is comfortably vague; saying "the police are racist, here's why, and here's how we can move forward" is less so. Hell, I know a guy who is a member of the Spanish fascist party whose Insta feed went from a selfie at a fascist rally to a Blackout Tuesday square - because he could happily enjoy the cognitive dissonance between the two.

Exactly the same applies to male violence. I see a lot of people saying "oh what a pity women are scared" in exactly the same way they said "racism is such a big problem" last year. Address the real issue. Take practical steps. Clearly identify the problem, and we can work towards a solution.

So well put

 

[Vanelope]

How does the person who is asking Instagram for pineapple think shopping works?

 

[Into_the_tunnel]

Will someone ever liberate the fish?

There is no way she will remember the fish now.

 

[PoorPatrol]

Honestly, the absolute last person I want to hear from today is the bot. He's part of the problem, not the solution.

He’s like Piers Morgan, throws a strop because he’s not for everyone. Pathetic dick-bot

 

[pumpkincandle]

Can you just imagine having a health crisis and your gobby wannabe celeb relative can't stay off twitter with attention fishing statements like 'please respect mine and my family's privacy' instead of... just not posting about it? As just another person who lost a family member to cancer in the past year, the 'any friendly oncologists out there' tweet was a new low.

And Waffle Maker, I'm sorry for your loss.

 

[Orphan_Black]

I do agree it’s not a valid suggestion and the way it’s framed is not going to win any support but really it’s not so far removed from what women are/aren’t told to do. I don’t know if I’m being naive but I feel like this was more the MP saying if you think this is a ridiculous suggestion then look at the hoops women have to jump through when out and about. Of course the fact that it was snapped up by the DM doesn’t help!

And the fact that jack is now trying to insert herself into the conversation is upsetting but not surprising.

ETA: I am about as on time as hot topic Jack. @bladiesla said it better than me

I'm glad a couple of fraus have pointed out the meaning of the proposed ban, wasn't thinking of it in this way, so thank you!

 

[Vanelope]

I would have enjoyed someone saying they were a serious and scary oncologist who recommends contacting your GP in the first instance and not discussing other people’s health on Twitter.