I think this is a trickier topic than it's being given credit for.
It's definitely one that needs a full and open discussion to understand better. One without limitations being imposed.
I'll start by saying I have absolutely seen occasions where people have been genuinely trying to offer help or advice, or where their comments have otherwise come from a good place, and they've been shouted down unfairly. I don't want to diminish anyone's experience here, or upset anyone, so I'm going to assume anyone in here with personal experience of it falls into that category.
Agree, seen Eyan do that many many times. From what I've seen, 100% of the time anyone offered genuine altruistic advice they were dismissed by Eyan in a passive aggressive way. Every time. It's classic NPD.
This is what makes me laugh about Eyan’s counselling course. How can they teach him anything?
When he knows it all and he should be teaching them. I recognise this classic narcissistic trait as have seen it before in colleagues.
But a lot of the time, when people do turn on someone, it's someone who's been rude, obnoxious, offensive, inappropriate or some combination thereof. They've gone out of their way, either to type it into the chat (Let's deal with Twitter separately in a moment), or to actually call in.
Not sure how this is considered as “turning on someone”? It’s just people’s behaviour not being acceptable to Eyan, in his opinion. What are the chances that it’s a response to something that Eyan has done to them previously to cause the reaction? Hard to believe decent people would suddenly start being obnoxious for no reason. Classic Eyan being the innocent victim.
When this happens during a show... It's like said person has interrupted a comedy gig. And what happens at a comedy gig in real life mirrors what usually happens on Twitch/YouTube. Initially, the performer takes on the heckler themselves, usually by trying to delve deeper or with some withering putdowns, depending on the nature of the heckler. If the heckler continues to interrupt the show, the crowd starts to boo them, to ridicule them, and eventually if it carries on they're escorted from the room by security. That's considered almost standard procedure across the world - there's any number of videos of it happening on YouTube. So what's different about when it happens during an online show? I'd be genuinely interested to hear people's takes on that.
It's neither a relevant nor comparable example is my take.
Twitter is a different beast, and a well-documented one. Again, a lot of the people Iain retweets are being offensive or rude, by most people's standards. But it's different because it's not happening during a performance, and it's happening with a potential audience of nearly 100,000, rather than 200-300.
Never once seen Eyan Retweet someone being rude or offensive. I’ve only ever seen endless and countless Retweets of obscure music from Eyan.
It’s not a thread you’ve linked. Quite the opposite. It’s just every tweet that gets pulled up with the words “Iain Lee” and “Cristo” in it. If I wanted a jumbled mess of tweets I could have easily done the same search. It’s not a thread. I won’t be using a jumbled mess of historic Tweets as proof of anything, even if you insist.
“Potential audience of 100,000”. Assume this refers to Eyan’s Twitter followers? Unfortunately it’s a massively inflated bogus number. Inflated with inactive bought and paid for bots.
Here’s the text from a previous post I did debunking Eyan’s 96k Twitter follower count.
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Leean E has mentioned when trying to flog advertising his "96k followers" on Twitter.
One small problem. With that many "followers" why does he never get any replies, never gets any likes and never gets any retweets?
Talk about zero engagement. How is it possible to have that many followers and zero engagement?
Reason being he's bought bot followers in bulk. Very common practice with non-entity celebs like Leean. Seen it many times on Twitter.
25,000 bot followers is only a few quid.
Noticed it dropped from 100K to 95.6K. That will be Twitter culling loads of bot accounts. They do these purges.”
Imo, the potential Twitter “audience” is closer to a very low 3 digit number.
I have definitely been a part of such pile-ons in the past, whether for Iain or other blue-ticks who retweeted their detractors. At the time, I'm sure I enjoyed it and felt righteous. I'd advise anyone to read Jon Ronson's book 'So You've Been Publicly Shamed', which spends a lot of time speaking to the victims of Twitter 'mob justice'. It's not something I indulge in anymore, and can only apologise if anyone here was on the receiving end. We will never know. So yes, when Iain does it on Twitter it makes me feel very uncomfortable. No disagreement from me there.
Genuinely appreciate your total honesty. Explains virtually all aspects of our previous discussions on this issue and provides a better understanding of how the TLNA hive mind operates. You can speak from the personal experience and perspective of doing Eyan’s bidding when he dog whistles and the motivations for doing so.
Would be interesting to further understand why Eyan’s gang defend the indefensible?
This topic in itself is worthy of much deeper analysis and you have everything to offer.
But when it happens during a show... If TLNA is a gig, they're interrupting the gig. If TLNA is a community meeting, they're interrupting the meeting. And if, god forbid, TLNA is a cult, then they're coming in and pissing in the Kool-Aid. I think the response is sometimes disproportionate to the crime, for sure, but let's not pretend these things don't have consequences in the real world.
Best thing then is for Eyan and Kaffbo is restrict any and all audience interaction (calls and chat) to only a small group of carefully selected fans: Matty Stevo, Gatfard, WOPHD, Alistair etc…
This is a serious suggestion for a couple of reasons. It would cut out anyone “not getting the show” because they don’t understand it and would stop interruptions in the enjoyment of the show by the community/Alistair’s support group.
(And @General Kim, I don't know why you keep bringing up Cristo. Any shitstorm around him filling Iain's spot was mild at best, and both parties had nothing but kindness towards one another. Cristo even opened his first show with a glowing tribute to Iain. I didn't post a link to one tweet, I posted a link to all the tweets which still exist and included Iain and Cristo. Some may have been deleted, but it really was about 50-50 respect and disdain. Iain has gone after plenty of valid targets, so to keep mentioning Cristo is a bit baffling.)
I wouldn’t have said I’ve exceeded any limit on mentioning Cristo as an example. There were different aspects that were being debated and weren’t covered in one post.
Not commented on the level of severity of Eyan’s sustained sniping towards Cristo. I don’t remember saying it was the worst pile-on in the history of pile-ons?
Whatever the level of severity, it was entirely uncalled for.
Of course it’s courtesy for Cristo to pay tribute to Eyan. What else was he going to say? Every single new presenter would do it, even if they disliked the previous presenter.
From what I know Cristo has never passed any negative comments about Eyan during his show. But Eyan has made many snidey snipes directly towards Cristo and was out of order for doing so.
It’s the same pattern with Eyan: fall out with people for no reason whatsoever.
Did Cristo “turn on Eyan”?
Who started it? Cristo or Eyan?
What exactly did Cristo (or any other target) do to deserve any of it?
Valid targets? I genuinely can’t think of one valid target? Who did you have in mind?
That makes it worse that Eyan went for targets who absolutely didn’t deserve it.
Again, I’m not keen on using highly selective Tweets long after the event to re-evaluate history. I’m sure you have a better memory of what went on as you were potentially involved in piling-on to Cristo. Revisiting each and every tweet is not my interest.
Don’t be baffled. I haven’t “keep on mentioning Cristo”, I'm sure you will be OK! LOLs
