What’s even more sickening is when wokes use someone like MLK as if he’s some kind of idol of theirs and is in any way relevant to their ideology. It’s awful, and can’t they see just by looking at that quote that they’re being regressive?! Wokeism is a hateful, reductive, glorified mental illness.
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Excellent articleI want to post the whole of the Economist leader - it's so well written, thoughtful and devastating to M&H' . But it also represents a burning of bridges. For the duchess at least, there will be no going back.' (In full here https://archive.ph/Q1PSq
That interview
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle take on the firm
The palace’s nightmare made flesh
The British monarchy’s record of absorbing outsiders is patchy. In recent times, it has had one outstanding success (Kate Middleton, Prince William’s wife), several modest successes (including Sophie Rhys-Jones, Prince Edward’s wife), a few questionable results (among them Sarah Ferguson, Prince Andrew’s ex-wife) and two stunning failures (Diana Spencer, the late Princess of Wales, and Meghan Markle, Prince Harry’s wife). On March 7th the world was treated to dramatic evidence of the latest disaster, in the form of an interview which Prince Harry and Ms Markle—the Duke and Duchess of Sussex—gave to Oprah Winfrey, America’s most famous talk-show host.
The revelations in the interview were in part familiar. The loneliness of which the duchess spoke, and the lack of support from within the “firm”, echoed Princess Diana’s experience. “This was very, very clear,” the duchess responded to a question about whether she was having suicidal thoughts. “Very clear and very scary. I didn’t know who to turn to in that.” A new factor, and a particularly explosive one, was race. The duchess, herself mixed-race, said that when she was pregnant with her son Archie, her husband had told her there were “conversations about how dark his skin might be”, and she implied that the issue was connected to decisions about her son’s title and security for the family. Both declined to say who had raised the issue, though Ms Winfrey later said Prince Harry had told her it was neither the queen nor Prince Philip.
The couple’s evident closeness during the interview underlined another big difference between their situation and Princess Diana’s. They are together, having left the country—rather as Wallis Simpson, the last American to marry a senior member of the royal family, and Edward VIII did, when they went to live in Paris. The painful consequences of Prince Harry’s decision to move to America for his relationship with his family also came out in the interview: for a while, the prince said, his father stopped taking his calls.
These revelations indicate what is presumably part of the purpose of the interview. There has been plenty of criticism in Britain of the couple’s decision to leave the country for California, and of their attempt to retain some of the privileges of royalty while doing so. A prime-time slot with the world’s most famous interviewer—who is also a friend, and attended their wedding—is a good way of putting their side of the story. Such exposure should also enhance their celebrity and popularity, on which their income depends now that they have been financially cut off by the royal family. But it also represents a burning of bridges. For the duchess at least, there will be no going back.
Two days after the interview, the palace issued a neutral, conciliatory response: “the issues raised, particularly of race, are concerning…they will be addressed by the family privately.” But it included a carefully worded phrase casting doubt on the notion that the couple’s account was the objective truth: “some recollections,” it said, “may vary.” And somebody, whether inside or outside the royal household, had launched what looked like a pre-emptive strike. After the interview was recorded, but before it went out, a complaint made against the duchess in 2018 by a senior member of staff was leaked to the Times. Jason Knauf, at the time press secretary to both princes, wrote to Simon Case, then Prince William’s private secretary and now head of the civil service, saying that she had “bullied two pas out of the household”, and was bullying a third. The timing of the leak of a complaint from two and a half years ago suggests that a point was being made: when a relationship breaks down, there tends to be fault on both sides.
Beyond the sniping, the fundamental problem, with which Princess Diana struggled, is clear. Being a royal is about serving an institution. It does not work for those who crave individual attention. The job requires self-effacement, at which the queen, who has not said a single interesting thing in public in her 70 years on the throne, has excelled. That’s not because she is a boring person, but because she understands the demands of the job. The Duchess of Cambridge, aka Ms Middleton, is, similarly, brilliantly bland. The Duchess of Sussex is not; and her complaint in her interview that while she was a royal she was not allowed to talk to Ms Winfrey without other people in the room demonstrated her failure to grasp the need to subsume individual needs in those of the institution. Given the potential impact of such an interview on the monarchy, it would have been bizarre for the household’s communications chiefs to allow her to negotiate with the world’s most powerful interviewer by herself.
As it is, the duchess has done the interview on her own terms, and its consequences are exactly those that the palace dreaded. It has exposed the royal family to criticism to which it cannot properly respond publicly without getting into a shouting match that would damage the monarchy further, and it has sharply divided opinion (see chart), thus undermining the institution’s unifying role. Younger Britons—along with Americans—are more likely to take the view that the monarchy and the British press are institutionally racist, that the duchess should have been given more support and that she is justified in airing her grievances in public. Older Britons are more likely to be of the opinion that she is an adult who should have thought harder about the job before signing up to it, that if she was depressed, her husband, who founded a mental-health charity, could have got help for her, and that the couple have wilfully and selfishly damaged an institution to which Prince Harry’s grandmother and father have devoted their lives. Britain’s reputation as a socially liberal, racially tolerant country has taken a hit, too.
Yet the interview may do the monarchy less damage than the current furore suggests. Earlier, similar troubles did not much dent its popularity. Even during the split with Princess Diana, it barely budged. That may, of course, have a lot to do with the queen. Ironically, given her determination to obscure her personality, she is personally very popular. When she dies, things may look different.
Editor's note: This article has been updated since publication to note the palace's response
This article appeared in the Britain section of the print edition under the headline "Taking on the firm"
Was There Really a Palace Conspiracy Against Meghan Markle?
The authors of royal biography Finding Freedom didn’t uncover a secretive staff cabal, but they did uncover quite a bit of ill will—and some evidence that the royal family fanned the flames.
She simply lies for attention. I am over it all now. It is simply too exhausting to rip apart each sentence when it is and will be subject to further dubious recollections from this out of control creature. She's already trying to revive one topic that she promised was finished with. All of the others will be revived I guarantee. Thank Crunchy it is Friday - have a drink, enjoy a chocolate bar and love your family. She cannot impact your life and neither can he.
When M first came on the scene everyone and RF included could see the benefits of having a bi racial wife for H.
The Rf needs to move forward and be more inclusive, so they could see the benefits to the monarchy.
It seems H played the race card and forced RF's hand allegedly saying if he wasn't allowed to marry her the RF would be accused of Racism..
I wonder who planted that?!
What I would love to see, if one of the junior Royal families decided to adopt , for genuine reasons, a child of any colour, but of course that would be misconstrued too and then debates would follow from the wokerati how the children would suffer in such an environment,.
You know...damned if you do and damned if you don't . The RF and all they do for the Commonwealth really should be enough. It is for me .
The Rf needs to move forward and be more inclusive, so they could see the benefits to the monarchy.
It seems H played the race card and forced RF's hand allegedly saying if he wasn't allowed to marry her the RF would be accused of Racism..
I wonder who planted that?!
What I would love to see, if one of the junior Royal families decided to adopt , for genuine reasons, a child of any colour, but of course that would be misconstrued too and then debates would follow from the wokerati how the children would suffer in such an environment,.
You know...damned if you do and damned if you don't . The RF and all they do for the Commonwealth really should be enough. It is for me .
Oh wow! So they are reading the thread.... Sunshine Sachs we see you..Interestingly this article has now been removed.
ETA Let's try again - different link now.
Wild Meghan and Harry 'threw all-night parties' before baby Archie, ex-neighbour claims
THE Duke and Duchess of Sussex used to throw wild parties before Meghan became a mum, a former neighbour has claimed.
Wild Meghan and Harry 'threw all-night parties' before baby Archie, ex-neighbour claims
THE Duke and Duchess of Sussex used to throw wild parties before Meghan became a mum, a former neighbour has claimed.
Anthony BlairAssistant News Editor
- 07:25, 25 MAY 2019
- UPDATED07:26, 25 MAY 2019
In the early days of their relationship, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry would have all-night bashes for family and friends.
They would even let off fireworks from their Kensington Palace home in the early hours of the morning.
Last month, the couple left Kensington, after rumours of a feud with Harry's brother Prince William and wife Kate Middleton, who also live in the palace.
They have moved into Frogmore Cottage in Windsor, as Meghan looks to raise her new baby Archie Windsor.
And one man who used to live nearby the Duke and Duchess has said the area is far quieter than it was before.
French Ambassador Jean-Pierre Jouyet, who took up his post last year, lives in the official residence which backs onto the front of Nottingham Cottage on Kensington Palace Gardens where Meghan and Harry used to live.
"It is so quiet here now Harry and Meghan have left," he was reported as saying in The Sun.
"They used to have fireworks, soirees that would go all night, friends and family coming and going.
"Now all we see and hear is the helicopters landing. It's boring now."
The couple's new home was gifted to them by the Queen, as it is close to her Windsor Castle home.
It has 10 bedrooms and sits on 35 acres of land, and formerly housed members of the palace staff.
Known in the past as Double Garden Cottage, the 300-year-old Grade II-listed home was also used by members of the Royal Family as a retreat for private and official royal engagements.
The house is due to have a multi-million-pound renovation paid for by the taxpayer.
It will be transformed into a luxury family home with a new nursery, gym and yoga studio.
Meghan is adjusting to life as a new mum, after her own mum, Doria Ragland flew in from Los Angeles to be there for the birth.
This week, we reported Doria had flown home leaving Meghan to fend for herself and Archie.
The former Suits actress is expected to return back to her official royal duties in a few weeks, but sadly for the French Ambassador, with fewer parties than before.
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I'll probably get told off for this as it's off topic, but if you were looking for the Daily Star article and in need of some light relief... It is about difficult relationships and how hard it is to adapt to a new way of life.Interestingly this article has now been removed.
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Yuri Tolochko and Margo's marriage lasted just several months, and the Kazakh muscleman has been on a journey of exploration since she broke down days before Christmas
Looks like it, doesn't it?
My husband always said to our kids that knowledge is power, but recently started wondering whether it's ignorance, in fact, that seems to be more powerful at the moment...
It will come to the point where people will become deaf to ALL injustice because there’s just so much moralising being pelted about.
Society will just stop caring about genuine inequality.
Okay - my final salvo - Sunshine Sachs you are the saddest bunch of useless cunts ever. You will soon be replaced by your hideous clients. Your name will be tainted. Good. I wish you nothing but the worst.
They have not because I imagine Cringe and Ginge would sue (again).
I can quite believe that Charles wanted to do a line by line response. That would have been an awful idea, even by now it looks like the 3 sentence reply was for the best.
Lots think the situation with Meghan and the interview Andrew did were because the queen took a backseat and let others get on with it.
I wonder if she's now thinking how much she can't trust and has to do everything herself
Although I wouldn't mind ditching the Royal family all together once the queen toddles off.
The people who think they know that full story of Charles and Diana, forget that sometimes she had a habit of.....plain making stuff up, especially in that Panorama interview where she wanted to make Charles look as bad as possible.
They did have periods of great love in their marriage, so much so there were times that the courtiers thought Charles and Diana might actually make it. It just didn't happen
Except he'd be unlikely to agree to a split with a new baby on the sceneI agree. I actually kind of want to see Harry over here on his own. They might be able to deprogram him #freeharry
I think its more a case of " A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"!!
no one gets told off for an offtopic link, mods only step in when lots complain about a thread being a mess. We're just users of the site that try the near impossible task of making the site run well for everyone!
Oh, hello, Sunshine Sachs. Nice to see you here. Take a look at what the majority of people think about Ginge and Whinge.
And tell them we think they're twats while you're at it.
And tell them we think they're twats while you're at it.
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