Harry and Meghan #70 Two weddings, lots of lies, someone's telling porky pies

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Meghan told me about her problems – this is a storm that could have been avoided
As the debate sparked by the Sussexes now rages over who is in the right and who is in the wrong, could there have been another way forward?
BRYONY GORDON8 March 2021 • 7:50pm
Bryony Gordon

Meghan



Almost 18 months ago I sat on a sofa with a woman as she told me about the moment she had asked for help for her mental health, only to be denied it. I remember quite clearly the visceral feeling I had in my stomach as she explained to me what she had been told: and that was to suck it up, essentially. No can do. The feeling was visceral because, like many people who have experienced mental illness, I know what a colossal task it is to admit you are in trouble with your mental health. I also know what an absolute kick in the teeth it is to then be dismissed, shut down and denied that help.
As a mental health campaigner, people come to me with these problems quite a lot, but I had never imagined that Meghan Markle would be one of them. I remember the call I received from an aide, one Friday night in October 2019, asking if I might be free to go to Frogmore Cottage and have a cup of tea with the Duchess over the next few days. I’d met Meghan on a number of occasions by this point, and enjoyed a chatty lunch with her where we talked about yoga and shared monkfish. Arrangements were made. I turned up in Windsor a couple of days later with a box of chocolate brownies and what I hoped was a friendly demeanour. Like Meghan, I love rescuing things.
Bryony Gordon hugs the Duchess of Sussex during the Royal Foundation Forum in 2018

Bryony Gordon hugs the Duchess of Sussex during the Royal Foundation Forum in 2018 CREDIT: Pool/Reuters
The most surprising thing about the various meetings I’ve had with Meghan and Harry over the years has always been how very normal they both are. That day, as she shared her mental health issues, things were no different. Mental health, I have found, is a great leveller – the problems you hear tend to be the same whether you are speaking to a duke, a duchess or a supermarket delivery driver. Meghan told me many of the things she told Oprah on Sunday night and expressed her dismay and bafflement over some of the responses to her. I felt desperately sad for her, and wanted to offer some sort of advice. I am afraid to say I could come up with nothing more constructive than: “Why don’t you jack it all in?”
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I had a hug with Archie. Harry gave me a lift to my Uber, which was waiting at the gates of Windsor Castle, and we spoke about their recent tour of South Africa. Harry spoke lovingly of the impression that his wife made on the young girls they met, and how she didn’t understand the impact she had. But we also discussed guinea pigs (I had just taken delivery of some for my daughter, and Harry fondly recalled that he and William had kept them as pets when they were children). This to me sums up the madness of life as a royal: one minute you are navigating your relationship with the world’s media, the next you are chatting about small furry pets.
Bryony met Prince Harry in 2017 to do a podcast on mental health

Bryony met Prince Harry in 2017 to do a podcast on mental health CREDIT: Andrew Crowley for The Telegraph
It’s hard to underline how amenable and human I find the two of them, because every time I do this, I am met with eye rolls and pre-judgements that no amount of defending will ever be able to cut through. But my only job is to speak as I find, and what I have always found – from the moment I started working with Harry on the Heads Together campaign back in 2016, up until today – are two convivial, good-natured humans who are trying to do their best… however ill-timed that may look to a public who has perhaps learnt more about the Royal Family in the past 24 hours than in the past 24 years.
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Words such as ‘shock’ and ‘surprise’ have been bandied about by many. But for me – as someone who knows people on both sides of this story – my biggest feeling is sadness: sadness for Meghan and Harry, of course, but also for William and Catherine and a family who, for whatever reason, were unable to see a third way through this.
You don’t have to be on any particular side to see that this interview with Oprah is the mere tip of an iceberg that is loaded with endless pain. “Are you Team Sussex or Team Cambridge,” I was asked recently, by a royal documentary maker. To which my only real answer was: can I be Team Human?

Any woman is vulnerable when they are pregnant – let alone one who has moved across an ocean and given up a career to be with a man whose family you have to curtsey to. There was always going to be a clash of cultures here. Whether she should have been more prepared for the ‘job’ of a duchess can be argued about by experts in royal protocol, of which I am not. But it is clear that in Meghan, the Monarchy had an opportunity to move with the times – and for some reason, they decided to let it go. From the start, she was enthusiastic and energetic, buzzing with ideas about charitable causes that could be supported. Here was a woman who had considerable experience of public life, unlike others who had married into the Royal Family before her. But as she said in the Oprah interview, it was suggested that she stayed out of the limelight. “I was everywhere but nowhere,” she explained, before adding, poignantly, that all the drama seemed to be happening “just because I was breathing”.
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The sense of permanently being somehow faulty or wrong is one that those who have suffered mental illness will know well. To have admitted that there was a problem – one that Meghan describes as making her feel “ashamed” – was absolutely essential. To have then had that problem dismissed, as she says happened when she asked for help, makes me wince, in the same way I wince when someone in distress tells me about being ignored by their partner, mum, dad or GP. Sadly, it happens to people all the time, and Meghan helps everyone – the Royal Family included – by talking about it.
Today Meghan has risked being dismissed all over again. She knows that her critics will double down, and that they will probably switch from throwing stones to throwing rocks. But to her, that is not a reason to avoid talking about these things…in fact, it’s more of a reason to talk about them.

Within hours of the interview being aired, the usual suspects were pumping out their bullets, describing the interview as “disgraceful” and even going as far as to accuse Meghan of lying. I know this will upset Meghan, but I’m pretty sure it won’t surprise her any more. As the couple were told again and again when they asked for help: “This is just how it is.”
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It’s this that I find so disturbing. That in the year 2021, our grasp on mental health issues is still so weak that in many quarters, it is simply easier to belittle those who talk about having them than it is to feel any compassion for them. Much of the response to this interview is similar to the one thousands of people experience every day. Pipe down. Know your place. Shut up, stop complaining, and do what you’re told.
During the interview, Harry wondered out loud if we had learnt nothing. By the end of it, I think I had learnt this: that, as is almost always the case with life, there are no winners or losers here, just a bunch of gloriously messy humans trying to do their best. It’s the same for most people, regardless of money or occupation. I just wish that, like Meghan, more of us were able to ask for help… and that, unlike Meghan, more of us were able to get it. Until then, these “shocking” and “surprising” conversations aren’t going anywhere. And whether they are outside or inside the Royal Family, they will always need to be had.
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This set up makes zero sense to me. So Meghan allegedly was denied help so why on earth would an aide ring up this journalist and self proclaimed mental health campaigner for a chat? Bizarre

“As a mental health campaigner, people come to me with these problems quite a lot, but I had never imagined that Meghan Markle would be one of them. I remember the call I received from an aide, one Friday night in October 2019, asking if I might be free to go to Frogmore Cottage and have a cup of tea with the Duchess over the next few days.”
 
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I don't believe she was suicidal for one minute. She said it to shut down criticism. The interview was aired during her 'pregnancy' to prevent criticism. She's banging on about racism in order to prevent criticism of her. Shes manipulated a handy triple lock against any criticism. The smug hag is laughing at each and every one of us.

What a world.
 
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The interview and subsequent fall out has provided a wonderful opportunity to clear out my Facebook/Instagram friends. The woke brigade can’t help but comment, or repost that ridiculous thing about “Meghan Markle won’t see that you don’t believe she was suicidal but your friends will...” :rolleyes:

I’ve been suicidal, have struggled with my mental health for most of my adult life, I don’t pout about it. I get on with it as best I can and seek appropriate help. Maybe she did feel suicidal, and if she did, I wouldn’t wish that on anybody so I hope she can access the help she so very clearly needs deserves. That being said, if reading the headlines and the media is a trigger, why for the love of everything holy would you do a tell all interview with Oprah and prove that actually you do read all the press about :unsure:
Cathartic isn’t it!

I highly doubt the claims, I’ve been there, it doesn’t descend in the morning and then lift mid afternoon allowing you to dress up and venture out and make small talk, that’s impossible. It’s all consuming, every fibre of your being.
 
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The interview and subsequent fall out has provided a wonderful opportunity to clear out my Facebook/Instagram friends. The woke brigade can’t help but comment, or repost that ridiculous thing about “Meghan Markle won’t see that you don’t believe she was suicidal but your friends will...” :rolleyes:

I’ve been suicidal, have struggled with my mental health for most of my adult life, I don’t pout about it. I get on with it as best I can and seek appropriate help. Maybe she did feel suicidal, and if she did, I wouldn’t wish that on anybody so I hope she can access the help she so very clearly needs deserves. That being said, if reading the headlines and the media is a trigger, why for the love of everything holy would you do a tell all interview with Oprah and prove that actually you do read all the press about :unsure:

Nothing useful to add, just wanted to say how I feel like I’ve found my people on this thread:D
I couldn't agree more!
Last night we saw two millionaires sit in front of a billionaire, next to a rear lawn of a property that you or I will never be allowed to set foot on in our lifetime, and all the woke brigade can do is cry wolf because when reality doesn't meet them halfway, they just abandon it.
 
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Don’t know how true this is .....
Well I wish they would. They can’t just drop a bomb like they have and then be like oh but we can’t tell you who it was. It gives the correct person the chance to respond and clears the people who haven’t said it instead of them all being under scrutiny.
 
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People keep forgetting the silent majority in this country. Outside of the main UK cities the majority of the population are white British and generally not very woke. Not everyone holds the same views as the people shrieking on Twitter and I'm betting that the vast majority would back the Queen.
The above is what I keep trying to explain to my daughters, but because I am OLD (nearly 60) and white and privileged etc etc I am wrong :cool:
 
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Just to throw a grenade into the issue - if Harry's mental health is that bad, how was he allowed into the army, let alone in Afghanistan and be a Captain leading other men? It wouldn't happen. He could cope with the click of a camera as it brought everything back to him but was quite happy in a war zone with guns and bullets going off all over the place! :m
They must have had an 'inclusive' policy that seemingly included his known drug use as well.
Aah Harry, such a funster!
 
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Meghan told me about her problems – this is a storm that could have been avoided
As the debate sparked by the Sussexes now rages over who is in the right and who is in the wrong, could there have been another way forward?
BRYONY GORDON8 March 2021 • 7:50pm
Bryony Gordon

Meghan



Almost 18 months ago I sat on a sofa with a woman as she told me about the moment she had asked for help for her mental health, only to be denied it. I remember quite clearly the visceral feeling I had in my stomach as she explained to me what she had been told: and that was to suck it up, essentially. No can do. The feeling was visceral because, like many people who have experienced mental illness, I know what a colossal task it is to admit you are in trouble with your mental health. I also know what an absolute kick in the teeth it is to then be dismissed, shut down and denied that help.
As a mental health campaigner, people come to me with these problems quite a lot, but I had never imagined that Meghan Markle would be one of them. I remember the call I received from an aide, one Friday night in October 2019, asking if I might be free to go to Frogmore Cottage and have a cup of tea with the Duchess over the next few days. I’d met Meghan on a number of occasions by this point, and enjoyed a chatty lunch with her where we talked about yoga and shared monkfish. Arrangements were made. I turned up in Windsor a couple of days later with a box of chocolate brownies and what I hoped was a friendly demeanour. Like Meghan, I love rescuing things.
Bryony Gordon hugs the Duchess of Sussex during the Royal Foundation Forum in 2018

Bryony Gordon hugs the Duchess of Sussex during the Royal Foundation Forum in 2018 CREDIT: Pool/Reuters
The most surprising thing about the various meetings I’ve had with Meghan and Harry over the years has always been how very normal they both are. That day, as she shared her mental health issues, things were no different. Mental health, I have found, is a great leveller – the problems you hear tend to be the same whether you are speaking to a duke, a duchess or a supermarket delivery driver. Meghan told me many of the things she told Oprah on Sunday night and expressed her dismay and bafflement over some of the responses to her. I felt desperately sad for her, and wanted to offer some sort of advice. I am afraid to say I could come up with nothing more constructive than: “Why don’t you jack it all in?”
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I had a hug with Archie. Harry gave me a lift to my Uber, which was waiting at the gates of Windsor Castle, and we spoke about their recent tour of South Africa. Harry spoke lovingly of the impression that his wife made on the young girls they met, and how she didn’t understand the impact she had. But we also discussed guinea pigs (I had just taken delivery of some for my daughter, and Harry fondly recalled that he and William had kept them as pets when they were children). This to me sums up the madness of life as a royal: one minute you are navigating your relationship with the world’s media, the next you are chatting about small furry pets.
Bryony met Prince Harry in 2017 to do a podcast on mental health

Bryony met Prince Harry in 2017 to do a podcast on mental health CREDIT: Andrew Crowley for The Telegraph
It’s hard to underline how amenable and human I find the two of them, because every time I do this, I am met with eye rolls and pre-judgements that no amount of defending will ever be able to cut through. But my only job is to speak as I find, and what I have always found – from the moment I started working with Harry on the Heads Together campaign back in 2016, up until today – are two convivial, good-natured humans who are trying to do their best… however ill-timed that may look to a public who has perhaps learnt more about the Royal Family in the past 24 hours than in the past 24 years.
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Words such as ‘shock’ and ‘surprise’ have been bandied about by many. But for me – as someone who knows people on both sides of this story – my biggest feeling is sadness: sadness for Meghan and Harry, of course, but also for William and Catherine and a family who, for whatever reason, were unable to see a third way through this.
You don’t have to be on any particular side to see that this interview with Oprah is the mere tip of an iceberg that is loaded with endless pain. “Are you Team Sussex or Team Cambridge,” I was asked recently, by a royal documentary maker. To which my only real answer was: can I be Team Human?

Any woman is vulnerable when they are pregnant – let alone one who has moved across an ocean and given up a career to be with a man whose family you have to curtsey to. There was always going to be a clash of cultures here. Whether she should have been more prepared for the ‘job’ of a duchess can be argued about by experts in royal protocol, of which I am not. But it is clear that in Meghan, the Monarchy had an opportunity to move with the times – and for some reason, they decided to let it go. From the start, she was enthusiastic and energetic, buzzing with ideas about charitable causes that could be supported. Here was a woman who had considerable experience of public life, unlike others who had married into the Royal Family before her. But as she said in the Oprah interview, it was suggested that she stayed out of the limelight. “I was everywhere but nowhere,” she explained, before adding, poignantly, that all the drama seemed to be happening “just because I was breathing”.
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The sense of permanently being somehow faulty or wrong is one that those who have suffered mental illness will know well. To have admitted that there was a problem – one that Meghan describes as making her feel “ashamed” – was absolutely essential. To have then had that problem dismissed, as she says happened when she asked for help, makes me wince, in the same way I wince when someone in distress tells me about being ignored by their partner, mum, dad or GP. Sadly, it happens to people all the time, and Meghan helps everyone – the Royal Family included – by talking about it.
Today Meghan has risked being dismissed all over again. She knows that her critics will double down, and that they will probably switch from throwing stones to throwing rocks. But to her, that is not a reason to avoid talking about these things…in fact, it’s more of a reason to talk about them.

Within hours of the interview being aired, the usual suspects were pumping out their bullets, describing the interview as “disgraceful” and even going as far as to accuse Meghan of lying. I know this will upset Meghan, but I’m pretty sure it won’t surprise her any more. As the couple were told again and again when they asked for help: “This is just how it is.”
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It’s this that I find so disturbing. That in the year 2021, our grasp on mental health issues is still so weak that in many quarters, it is simply easier to belittle those who talk about having them than it is to feel any compassion for them. Much of the response to this interview is similar to the one thousands of people experience every day. Pipe down. Know your place. Shut up, stop complaining, and do what you’re told.
During the interview, Harry wondered out loud if we had learnt nothing. By the end of it, I think I had learnt this: that, as is almost always the case with life, there are no winners or losers here, just a bunch of gloriously messy humans trying to do their best. It’s the same for most people, regardless of money or occupation. I just wish that, like Meghan, more of us were able to ask for help… and that, unlike Meghan, more of us were able to get it. Until then, these “shocking” and “surprising” conversations aren’t going anywhere. And whether they are outside or inside the Royal Family, they will always need to be had.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/allison-pearson/
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The Hag is a racist. Her CV and online profile all describe her as Caucasion. She hid the fact that she's mixed race.

She's the racist!
 
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I mean WT Actual duck.
This is now suggesting it isn't just bringing down the monarchy, but the country? Honestly I hope to GOD that lawyers are sharpening their pencils. all for MEGSY>???!!!???
so my 70+ yr old dad - a bigger pseudo dominiquestrausskhan without the fame or money/title, you could never find. well... covid has put his playboy tools into the shed, so to speak.
out of the bloody blue this week he is pinging me in utter OUTRAGE. he is apoplectic to the point I nearly had to send a friend over to see if he was drunk (He stopped drinking when the "fun" stopped).
There is a real chasm beetween the "boomers" and those born before they could register diana's death (1997) and Sushine Sachs is playing a nasty , disgusting LONG game, my friends.
The GenZ'ds and certain younger millenials are eating this up and she is literally going for the MADONNA of the wokeristas. SS looked at Hillary, etc. and took lessons on how she failed. This is literally a long-term masterclass in playing the various generations and their purchasing / voting POWER.
y'all. this is actually scary.
The under 25s all think she is a bleeping martyr. I'm not kidding.

The Hag is a racist. Her CV and online profile all describe her as Caucasion. She hid the fact that she's mixed race.

She's the racist!
One hag. one talentless hag has brought the entire globe into a divisive fight. I cannot believe it.
 
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Look at all the trouble The Hag and its sidekick are causing. When is karma going to catch up with them? I am beyond fed up.
When they get divorced. Harry will lose his kids 😢 (sorry for the kids not Harry)
Smeg will be a 40 something ex duchess with nothing to say apart from spouting the latest woke cause.
 
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This set up makes zero sense to me. So Meghan allegedly was denied help so why on earth would an aide ring up this journalist and self proclaimed mental health campaigner for a chat? Bizarre

“As a mental health campaigner, people come to me with these problems quite a lot, but I had never imagined that Meghan Markle would be one of them. I remember the call I received from an aide, one Friday night in October 2019, asking if I might be free to go to Frogmore Cottage and have a cup of tea with the Duchess over the next few days.”
Well it just shows she's tit at her job if she didn't help her or re-direct her to someone who could
 
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Don Lemon from CNN said that we shouldn't be surprised by the interview because the whole British monarchy is "based on racism" and they're all racist. This is awful. And sadly he is not the only one talking such crap these days. At the moment most Americans seem to be supportive of Haz and Megz and talking absolute rubbish about the RF and the UK. It's infuriating! :mad:
 
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