Gruffudd & Alice Evans #218 Mr Gruffudd loves his children very, very much

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Just when you think she can't go lower, mAlice goes far far lower than you could imagine. I think this is a reaction to Yo's birthday and how the therapy/GAL etc is going. She wants to get arrested so she can stall the process.

I hope the lawyers have seen it but I think anyone who sees it should report it. Ella is an abused minor, this should not be on the internet.

I'm off to buy chocolate because I bloody need it.
 
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Does this means Loose Lips will be re-instated as top sock, even though departed sock called her a liar ?
 
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After seeing the clip and the weird begging him in public pics, I think it’s increasingly obvious bIG E is playing an active part in Alice’s abuse of Ioan but it’s probably best left unsaid. I also wonder if Alice wants us to think the socks are Ella. She kept saying NL is a LOT closer to home than anyone thinks, like she wanted people to say it’s Ella (it made no sense that it would be B) She at least wants us to think Ella is heavily involved. But yeah. Better we just keep it in mind rather than discuss it I guess.
 
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Being raised in an unhappy marriage is a terrible situation. Children pick up on things. Arguments between parents can be devastating for them to witness. The children can then be parentified if one parent confides in the children about how awful the other parent is. The children may feel anger towards one parent for treating the other parent in a bad way, and protective of the parent who has borne the brunt of the other parent's anger. The list goes on.

My parents had a very unhappy and toxic marriage, and I used to wish that they'd get divorced.
 
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I think I may have said this before, but I think Ella might be angry with Ioan for leaving her with Alice. I don’t doubt her ingrained loyalty to her mother, but we know from previous transcripts she is also aware of Alice’s failings as a parent. She is a very angry young lady for many reasons and one of them might be having been left to deal with Alice’s crazy.
 
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I agree it must have been awful for Ioan as such a private person to be with her. But I suppose I was trying to make the point that all of those abuses mentioned are now being inflicted on the children. Given the choice of the adult or the child suffering, I would choose the adult, who at least has insight and an escape plan. Someone mentioned what if the roles were reversed? Through my job I have seen many women (& one man) over the years stay in controlling relationships to protect their children until such time as they could all escape. I'm not saying that's always the right choice but it was an option.
 
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you know she deleted the sock 10 min after you got all these SS up here. Something Alice use to do. Make sure they were SS then delete.
 
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He should have left her sooner. You should never suggest anyone stay in an abuse marriage.
 
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I also wonder if Alice wants us to think the socks are Ella.
I don't believe the NL sock is Ella. A 14 year old doesn't go on about Brad Pitt being sexy. I believe she hopes we think it's Ella as Ella doesn't have a DVRO to break but it would still come under 'abuse by proxy'. NL likes to muddy the waters, she "doesn't know AE that well" but knows all her innermost thoughts somehow LOL

AE is banking on IG and Anne not going after Ella even if it's abuse by proxy.
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He should have left her sooner. You should never suggest anyone stay in an abuse marriage.
Agreed. Also nowadays people acknowledge that it's bad for children to see domestic abuse, as even if it's just witnessing it, it's still child abuse. And it models abusive behaviour so the cycle is perpetuated. Witness Ella.
 
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He should have left her sooner. You should never suggest anyone stay in an abuse marriage.
this was I think the main issue.

If he had left - for example - in 2018 (and there are plenty indicators on Alice's twitter that the marriage was already going shit at that point) the kids would be 8 and 4. Ella would basically be like Elsie at the beginning of the divorce (too old to not understand anything, but too young to get involved in her mothers shit, more tied to her dad, not optimal, but much better) and Elsie would be too young to understand anything full stop, but tied enough to her father.

This is the mistake many parents make. They realize pretty early that the marriage is shit, but they feel obligated to last until the kids are 18, but often they give up midway through, which is the worst time to file for divorce for children. This is not to blame Ioan obviously.
 
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Ioan could never have taken the two girls with him when he left. That just would not have been allowed to happen. So many people think that he could have just grabbed them and left - he couldn't have, legally. Getting out himself and making a life for himself where the kids could join him (if Alice hadn't sabotaged everything) - surely that was his only option? Getting at least 50-50 custody? Staying wouldn't have achieved a better outcome. In fact, Ioan's mental health might have broken down entirely due to the abuse, especially another ten years of it. And at the end of the day it wouldn't have protected the kids at all. She was already neglecting the kids and emotionally abusing them anyway.
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I don't think it's her either. I think that Alice is setting things up so Ella could be blamed if she gets caught out though.
 
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I’ve a lot to catch up with on this thread so sorry if it’s already been addressed guys, but do we have anyone to report the leaked video to? It’s actually distressing me that it’s been leaked. Poor Ella/Ioan & Bianca. So angry! This must have consequences. I’ve reported it to Twitter but is there anyone else we need to report it to?

What were they thinking
 
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I couldn't screen grab it in time before she deleted the account but she put something really weird like 'Alice looks like a clown on the red carpet and that's why I hate her because I'm scared of clowns' or something like that.
Funnily enough I just bought this. I’m going to be A Clown Like Alice.

 
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I always had a feeling it was (at least sometimes) Ella

now, here I was deciding to have a morning away from Tattle and I MISSED EVERYTHING!!! ffs!

do I need yo create a twitter sock,I feel so left out I never see anything as I dont have an account there life isnt fair!
Not making fun of the situation by the way by my inner gossiper is in turmoil. Might need a few sharp ones tonight to drown my sorrows..

https://giphy.com/948KwNf4q17wbmuufP
 
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It's none of our business.
We need to stick to our lane - we watch, we gossip, we don't get involved. MOO
 
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He should have left her sooner. You should never suggest anyone stay in an abuse marriage.
I'd never tell anyone what to do. I once suggested to a woman being physically abused that she should leave her partner and she was very offended. Lesson learned.
 
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