I realise that you are a lot younger than me but I grew up seeing PIE regularly on TV - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange
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I actually think thats already started. There was a TED talk on it that went viral a while back.
already happening in cali
They've been doing it for years with seemingly very little consequences. Don't get me wrong, they've ''peaked'' a number of LGB people because of this stance but they/we are just written off as bigots and TERFs and people were never 'true allies'' to begin with. Recently I've been seeing another attempt to not be held accountable - pushing the fact that this genital preferences thing is the work of TERFs and that no trans person has ever said anything like this. Also, saying that the cotton ceiling is a "TERF lie"
It's constant deflection. There's a lot I disagree with when it comes to the trans movement, but it's compounded by how they just never take any accountability for the things they do and say. Keep in mind this is a group of people who have no problem calling people transphobic for very little reasons and expect other groups to take responsibility and take a stand against the "toxicity" and "problematic" behaviours.
Here's small example - I remember reading a thread on ActualLesbians about how the concept of "gold star" lesbians (lesbians who've never been with a man, but more so use this as a status to look down on others I guess) is problematic. Lesbians who've never been with men are a minority, ones who use the gold star label as a status symbol are a minority still. Someone made the point in saying that even although they are a minority, the concept and the lesbians who take it super seriously are hurting people in the community. And this made me think.....why couldn't they apply the same view to trans people who talk about "genital preferences" and accuse people of having "genital fetishes." The reason I say this is because when people do bring this up, their allies deflect by saying, "It's a lie TERFs made up BUT if it were a real thing, it's just a minority."
In my own opinion, I think the trans people who don't go on about genital preferences are actually the minority. The whole genital preferences thing is absolutely positioned to be an aspect of oppression for trans people and it's a vein that runs through the entire trans rights movement.
Is anyone else not bothered about being called a TRANSPHOOOOOOBE anymore? I genuinely don’t care because it’s so bleeping puerile and thrown out with such regularity it has no effect.
I don’t care how people choose to present or whatever dysphoria they’re playing out. Go live your life. But I do care about MY rights being weakened in preference of a tiny minority of trans people who, until the wokearati decided they needed a trendy new crusade, were quietly living their lives as they wanted anyway. I care about common sense ethics being eroded because of the “you can be whatever you want to be, it’s ok” narrative (see paedophilia) and self id leaving the gate wide open for not just dysphoric transwomen but abusive and perverted men to live out their oppressive kinks on women and girls.
I don’t care how people choose to present or whatever dysphoria they’re playing out. Go live your life. But I do care about MY rights being weakened in preference of a tiny minority of trans people who, until the wokearati decided they needed a trendy new crusade, were quietly living their lives as they wanted anyway. I care about common sense ethics being eroded because of the “you can be whatever you want to be, it’s ok” narrative (see paedophilia) and self id leaving the gate wide open for not just dysphoric transwomen but abusive and perverted men to live out their oppressive kinks on women and girls.
They call themselves “MAP” or Minor Attracted Persons. I had a quick look, but the focus of their agitation was to do with loosening statutory rape laws with a view to reducing and removing age limits.
Some of their number seem to have attached themselves to the modern Trans movement as a colossal tick. PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) their ideological ancestors (including notables such as Harriet Harman and her husband) attached themselves to the gay rights’ movement decades ago when the legal age for homosexual sex was older than their heterosexual counterparts. Figures who attended network meetings also campaigned for a lower age of consent. Also, PIE pretty much popped up whenever any hippy / free love movement appeared. It’s a steady drip drip of loosening people’s perceptions as what’s morally acceptable in a sexual relationship.
While the trans debate is one that needs to be had, I think those part of the feminist movement need to be aware of changes in sexual taboos, especially since from where I’m sitting, it all centres male desire and increasingly at the cost of the female.
For example, I have noticed the increased use of the phrase “kink-shaming“. When some people complained about the presence of puppy play and BDSM fetishists at a gay pride event in Brighton, they were shouted down as bigots. Additionally, polyamory seems to be an increasing hot button issue - officially about a woman’s right to share lovers, throuples and the like, but in reality a lot of it seems to be swinging and cuckolding. That’s before the human cost of pornography and OnlyFans is examined.
At one time, you’d need a dirty mac (the coat, not the computer) and knowledge of a shop with a blanked out window in Soho to even know any of this tit, and now it’s everywhere.
Me neither, because I know I’m not a transphobe ultimately. When you know that’s the case, and people are therefore just saying it to try and shut you up because they can’t actually respond to your arguments (like our new friend earlier) it becomes meaningless. I pity the people who are so thick they have to resort to mindless name calling when they come unstuck in a discussion.
I was just about to make the same point. it seems some people, are instantly offended, don't seem to have a cogent argument but instead just call you out in the most basic terms. For example: racist bigot xenophobe homophobe etc. depending on the subject matter.
And then they seem to think they have won the argument.
As per Doc's post, like I've said in the JKR thread, I'm currently afraid of voicing anything publicly that would be seen as trans phobic or gender critical because of the sector I work in, though that may change if the word woman or female starts disappearing on internal comms and initiatives etc, like it is from products and adverts in the public. Outside of work, however, I laugh off the TERF label now.
Next time I’m losing in court I’ll just call the judge a TERF, bingo! I’ll be a Supreme Court justice within the year because I’ll be winning all my cases.
I think it depends what social groups you're part of tbh. I think for young LGBs, it can be a scary thing. A lot is about emotional guilt tripping. Lots of "you don't want to be responsible for the murders of innocent trans women, do you? Then better do everything we say and don't question us."
I think it's harder for LGBs and reasonable Ts because they seem to have a whole community, support etc.. In my case I'll never confirm it for them, I just argue and refute their points with logic and some fun psychology till they lose their tit and give up. They behave like petulant children, it's amusing. I really believe that a large portion are in their teens to early twenties, other people have jobs.
I am careful about which topics I speak about though, I've learned it's easier to speak about how this issue affects LGBs when it comes to dating rather then how it affects women in general, because LGBs are still considered a protected/oppressed group by people whereas women are not. (easier to make some people have a think that way). Also fun to say I'm a hardcore conservative when I'm actually not, just to watch their heads explode. "BuT TheY HaTE YoU" say the people who deny my eu citizenship and culture based on the fact that I'm a POC.
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I do understand those who the transphobe label does hurt... I sometimes forget people have different life experiences to me. I think i’ve been spoilt in some ways by my lesbian sister... shes older than me (46) and has never been ashamed of or hidden her sexuality. BUT neither has she been much of a “LGB” community member either. She’s not arsed about belonging to a group as such (although obviously rallies against prejudice). Shes just her and I couldn’t imagine her any different as a heterosexual.
But i can imagine being ostracised or criticism from a group you feel personal affinity with hard and pressuring.
But i can imagine being ostracised or criticism from a group you feel personal affinity with hard and pressuring.
Of course you can get determined trolls scouring pertinent web forums looking for anti-woke words in posts they don't like and then quoting you and calling you out just so it gives them some meaning in life, along with a few desperate likes.
Years ago I remember been on a lesbian forum and and sometimes people would ask what type of lesbian I was because there are so many labels such as lipsticks, butch, femme, intellectuals, baby etc. There was lots of heated discussions between each label which sometimes got out of hand so I quit and just became myself.
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This says it all. An email reply an Irish feminist group got from Amnesty International in relation to "Barbie Kardashian"
Sorry, I should have said Amnesty Ireland and not Amnesty International
Either way, the message is loud and clear. They don't give a tit about women
Sorry, I should have said Amnesty Ireland and not Amnesty International
Either way, the message is loud and clear. They don't give a tit about women
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THEN WHY ARE THEY SURPRISED WHEN A WOMAN IN PRISON IS RAPED???? seriously the fact that they wouldn't even put this person in a seperate wing after these incidents says a lot.
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Another group hopping on the trendy woke bandwagon cause-for-the-day. Just shows how shallow they really are in order to look relevant. Although one suspects they will still be wanting donations/subscriptions from those very same "women" they now seemingly despise!
One thing they shouldn't forget is that women have long memories!
it just really pisses me off, I'd want them put in a seperate wing even if they were a female.
Anyone else seen this?
The transman who wanted to be recognised as Father having given birth to a child, now demanding women accept being called ‘birthing parent’ lmfao. What the hell is wrong with these people?
The transman who wanted to be recognised as Father having given birth to a child, now demanding women accept being called ‘birthing parent’ lmfao. What the hell is wrong with these people?
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