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maytoseptember

I feel exactly the same about the Perrys!

I mean, credit where it’s due: Grayson is pretty much the only AGP on the planet who admits it.

But that doesn’t mean I’m not grossed out by his public displays of fetishism, forcing other people to participate in it (and like so many AGPs, getting lauded for it). I also have the severe ick when it comes to sissy fetishes. He loves that word and it’s all over his work. They believe that there’s something about being a woman, and playing the female role sexually, that is inherently degrading. I mean, fuck right off
 
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Kittypops

Yes! The "it's like you wouldn't date a black person" so, um, their argument is saying black people are an identity now, a person, not a man, a woman, or whatever! An identity.

Tricky one for the activists to argue their way out of

(My first message in this thread, much lurking!)
 
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Vanelope

Falkor said:
Or maybe someone got exasperated with him and told him he needed a bomb up him?
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Eddie Izzard is advertising his latest thing on TV - I think he’s a villain - and playing a man.
So confused. I got when he was a man who liked makeup and nails and heels. Go for it. But that doesn’t make you a woman and I thought he know that. And still happy to be paid to play a man on tv.

Exactly. Nice left leaning people are of course not homophobic or racist or anti Semitic - I can’t remember if it’s one word or two I know my autocorrect is wrong so made it two sorry if I offend - anyway so they don’t want to be transphobic. But what if transphobia is actually just science, common sense and safeguarding children.
 
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Ruby’s mum

Do you think he found it somewhere, took it home to show his wife and he took literally where she said he should put it?
 
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AlanBanan

I always love to read stories written by men and their descriptions of women, the woman will be tall, blonde hair, luscious lips, thin, long legged yet petite all at the same time and have 48DD boobs. Because DD is the biggest breast size a woman can have according to men and they think the numbers are regarding breast size not the width of their back.
 
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emm

the best/most cringe thing are sex scenes written by men from the women's pov
 
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bunnyboo

I have natural DD cup and there's certainly nothing even sexy about them lol. On paper a guy might think "Oh wow, a DD cup.. that's hot" but it's probably the part of my body I'm the most insecure about. I have a small frame, I'm a size 8.. but my boobs are clearly following the laws of gravity by being droopy as fuck also my boobs aren't 'friends' that squish up beside each other unless I force them to by wearing a bra lmao, they both want to go their separate way.. away from each other! I think because porn has normalised big perky, pillow-like boobs on a petite frame (read: plastic surgery), and a cohort of men expect us all to have these lovely perky boobs and this couldn't be further from the truth.

If anything I wish I had smaller boobs, but I guess we always want what we don't have naturally.
 
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nothanksbabes

A DD just means your bust is 5" larger than your back size, which isn't particularly large for most women, it's just that that's the largest size bra manufacturers used to produce back in the day, so if you had a larger bust you had to buy a bigger back size to have a cup size that would accommodate them.

Amy slim, large busted woman who tells me she's a DD I will query if she's wearing the right size. A DD really isn't big.
 
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Icing _on_ the_cake

So I'm a Dawkins era atheist - big into critical thinking, science and skepticism and i got taken by this ideaology. I think most people haven't properly thought about it, they've just gone along with their liberal crowd and believed the messages about this being progressive and the new gay. It took me about 6 months over 2020 to have the moment of no return (I looked at this thread sporadically and then went about looking at things myself, Suzie Green's TED talk, trans Reddit spaces, Mermaids, detrans stories etc). That moment of peaking was finally asking myself how I knew I was a woman (investigating my own gender identity you could say) and found it was absolutely rooted in my biological experience. Take that away and you'd change nearly everything about my life.

This is basically an anti-science movement - like flat earthers. There are some people, on being faced with the incontrovertible evidence that the world is round, that can admit that they've been wrong. Then there are people who psychologically really struggle with that, especially if they've put a lot of investment into the wrong belief.

Then there's also the realization that you have the opposing belief to your tribe. I liken it to the concept of, there's water and you've been told to build a wave, and that building a wave is the absolute best and most moral thing you can do, so you and your friends are just cranking and cranking to make that wave bigger and bigger. The wave is now huge and just at this moment you realize, shit this wave is going to destroy everything and now you are faced with two choices. You either have to turn and face the wave you've just helped build, or you can try and pretend it's all not happening and keep building that wave. This is why its probably difficult for people at the heads of orgs like Nicola Sturgeon to u-turn, because they got in by building the wave and they know turning against it could destroy them.

@maytoseptember Grayson Perry gives me the heebie jeebies. I feel like he's found that he can get away with things by acting in plain sight. It just reminds me of Jimmy Saville and Michael Jackson.
 
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bcfc999

"please be mindful, I am a woman who thinks they are a man and I require every person ever to change the terminology they use around issues that affect women to accommodate me"

Related but not linked - has anyone here ever written to their MP about protecting women's sex-based rights and if so what kind of response did you get?
 

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SqualorVictoria

This was on a Facebook page called 'United States against Women'

They then tell us to stop using the word woman in regard to abortions.

Also, abortion advocate? I'm pro choice but abortion advocate is such a strange choice of words. It's pro choice, not pro abortion. It's not like we're encouraging women to go around having loads of abortions, it's that we want the woman to have the choice.
 

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nothanksbabes

This is a perfect example of how this rhetoric and ideology muddies the waters and makes it harder to protect women as a class. This person is not a man and men are not discriminated against in respect of their reproductive rights, but here we are using language to try and alter reality in the name of "inclusivity", and the result is women not being able to describe their own fucking experience adequately without some form of WHAT ABOUT MEN, be they actual men, people who think they're men... whatever we do someone is talking about men men men men men.
 
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holliebollie

Even Pinterest is now getting in on it when there is NO reason to do so. Who ‘refers to’ anyone on Pinterest?! I don’t even look at whose pins I’m saving, let alone talk about that random person to anyone else in my life… Jesus Christ. Also saw on Hinge this week (swiftly deleted)… any man with he/him on there would get a swift pass mo matter how good looking.
 
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Ispyabudgetbeanblogger

Yes, Labour MP. Response was a mindfuck. He agreed with me on everything, empathised, etc and concluded his response by saying self ID is not an issue and trans peace the most marginalised. I had to reread it 5 times, because it was so contradictory.
 
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Satisfying Click

Not only that, but looking like a subpar version of her. The bob, the glasses, the exaggerated make up, big dresses and statement jewellery. It's not a coincidence.

All the psychotherapy training in the world couldn't help me with that...



 
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emm

Of course there is the ootion to edit for those whose pronouns change every couple of hours
 
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