Gender Discussion #19

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I’ve started following milli hill on Instagram, recommend giving her a follow in solidarity.

Absolutely typical that women are an ‘oversight’ 🙄 yeah we’re just the ones that experience pregnancy and birth, no biggie.
 
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I don't like her (she is a right wing nutjob) but some of the points in this are pretty scary
 
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I don't like her (she is a right wing nutjob) but some of the points in this are pretty scary
It’s quite stomach churning all this BS map stuff. Gives me the rage.

Also this woman’s accent had me scratching my head. Sounded a bit Aussie, then kinda mid west American. Anyway, never heard of her, if she’s a right wing nutjob then I’m glad. But I get the points she’s making here. It’s very worrying.
 
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It’s quite stomach churning all this BS map stuff. Gives me the rage.

Also this woman’s accent had me scratching my head. Sounded a bit Aussie, then kinda mid west American. Anyway, never heard of her, if she’s a right wing nutjob then I’m glad. But I get the points she’s making here. It’s very worrying.
I think she is aussie but lives in the US (or vice versa) Yeah I have no idea why it was recommended to me, she is the kind of person who has refused the vaccine and uses the term "sheep"... so I have no idea what the youtube algorithm is doing for me? As usual it is sad that only right wing people are making these points
 
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She's a very engaging communicator and not wrong in this video.
This is the kind of worrying thing about these right wing people though, the same with Jordan Peterson etc. I don't know what is going to happen, society is just going in extremes, it seems noone is in the middle anymore, either be a right wing nutjob and defend women (sort of) or a left sing extremist (usually a man) saying that women should accept men in our spaces.
 
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This is the kind of worrying thing about these right wing people though, the same with Jordan Peterson etc. I don't know what is going to happen, society is just going in extremes, it seems noone is in the middle anymore, either be a right wing nutjob and defend women (sort of) or a left sing extremist (usually a man) saying that women should accept men in our spaces.
Absolutely, we're all being pushed to these opposing poles. I'm left wing and always will be, but just because the "left" and the "right" have adopted these ideas doesn't mean they inherently belong to either group I don't think.

I don't know what the answer is - I certainly don't want to align myself with the right, and nor do I want vulnerable gender non-conforming people to not be able to live their lives freely and safely, but protecting vulnerable women is my priority as a feminist. I wish I knew what the attainable middle ground is.
 
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To be honest I'm quite consequentialist with this kind of thing. I doubt that the right wingers care much for defending women, but if the outcome is no self ID and all the other bollocks then frankly I don't care what the motive is behind it anymore. Besides, in England at least we've had a Tory government for God knows how long - I think the right wingers are loud and proud, and will probably be drawing more awareness and attention to this cause than the kind of very academic lefty 'debates' going on right now that might ostracise normal people
 
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Absolutely, we're all being pushed to these opposing poles. I'm left wing and always will be, but just because the "left" and the "right" have adopted these ideas doesn't mean they inherently belong to either group I don't think.

I don't know what the answer is - I certainly don't want to align myself with the right, and nor do I want vulnerable gender non-conforming people to not be able to live their lives freely and safely, but protecting vulnerable women is my priority as a feminist. I wish I knew what the attainable middle ground is.
exactly, and even (if you are in the UK) the WEP is just pandering to the trans movement it seems

To be honest I'm quite consequentialist with this kind of thing. I doubt that the right wingers care much for defending women, but if the outcome is no self ID and all the other bollocks then frankly I don't care what the motive is behind it anymore. Besides, in England at least we've had a Tory government for God knows how long - I think the right wingers are loud and proud, and will probably be drawing more awareness and attention to this cause than the kind of very academic lefty 'debates' going on right now that might ostracise normal people
That is the thing, obviously the right do not care at all about feminist causes, hence why I would never support them but they have just seen somewhere they can gain support, clever of them in a way, much cleverer than the left alienating women. Most of the debates on the left in the UK are really just navel gazing. I want a party that can win public support so our NHS doesn't collapse and we don't end up in some nightmare of US type health system. They really need to look at the bigger picture, which no one seems to want/be able to do. I am usually quite optimistic but at the moment I am in despair and have been for a while. At the point where I am at a feminist event and I felt unable to give my opinions about "safe spaces" for women that don't involve trans women... I just don't even know where to go
 
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The DM have covered the Harrop tribunal really well. And I know this is typical DM language, but to call him a “Troll GP” in the headline, and highlight the fact his abuse was primarily of women, is fabulous 👌


“Bizarre rambling tweets” 🤣

Anyway, I take back what I said earlier - I don’t think he’s a narc, I think he’s a sociopath.
 
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I actually do like Sydney Watson. She is definitely conservative and I absolutely don't agree with all her views (she is pro-gun for example) but her videos on gender issues and the lack of child safeguarding are spot on. The more people talking about this the better.
 
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I actually do like Sydney Watson. She is definitely conservative and I absolutely don't agree with all her views (she is pro-gun for example) but her videos on gender issues and the lack of child safeguarding are spot on. The more people talking about this the better.
oh yeah her views about anything other than child safeguarding/trans issues are insane but I agree, and as I have said before, I cannot believe as someone who is leftwing this is someone I am posting as no one else I would otherwise support is. The child thing is especially insane to me, we all know society basically doesn't care about women... but I really did think children would be more protected , acolutely insane
 
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She is an Australian conservative who now stays in Texas. I would not describe her as a right wing nutjob.

I know lots of socialists who would agree with the stuff she said in that video.

When I use the term socialist I don't mean the likes of Owen jones or Kids paying 10's thousands to attend a university whilst campaigning for socialism.
 
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The DM have covered the Harrop tribunal really well. And I know this is typical DM language, but to call him a “Troll GP” in the headline, and highlight the fact his abuse was primarily of women, is fabulous 👌


“Bizarre rambling tweets” 🤣

Anyway, I take back what I said earlier - I don’t think he’s a narc, I think he’s a sociopath.
Bad bleeping times when the Mail are the only outlet reporting reliably on something.

I'd like the world to stop being upside down now please.
 
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Does anyone know the data on males in female prisons in the UK? Discussing this issue with a lib fem friend who thinks I'm obsessed with a niche issue that affects no one.
 
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Channel 4 has a show just starting called "Cancelled" - looks like it will include a look at using non trans inclusive language. Richard Bacon is presenting.

Channel 4 has a show just starting called "Cancelled" - looks like it will include a look at using non trans inclusive language. Richard Bacon is presenting.
Edited to add - we're on Dave Chapelle already!
 
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Does anyone know the data on males in female prisons in the UK? Discussing this issue with a lib fem friend who thinks I'm obsessed with a niche issue that affects no one.
its either on this thread or the previous one that approx 470 woman where where sentenced/on remand for rape

In England rape can only happen with a penis

So basically there are all men

The prison service is being taken to court the now because there was a woman attacked by a self ID man who used to wear a dress and no underwear in prison

There was Karen White

The simply fact the majority of woman in prison have been subjected either to child abuse, DV or been forced into prostitution . They need a safe space without men

It was mentioned earlier but a thread about David Paisley.......feel free to go and research this arse

 
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