Gender Discussion #19

[maytoseptember]

Now a significant minority of transwomen look to be AGPs or at least have a fetish for dressing as a woman, I'd like Eddie Izzard and Grayson Perry to f-off thanks. I really like his wife's advice columns and books but I can't take her seriously if she gives him air to behave like that, getting off on our reactions to him looking like the shittest woman on earth.

I feel exactly the same about the Perrys!

I mean, credit where it’s due: Grayson is pretty much the only AGP on the planet who admits it.

But that doesn’t mean I’m not grossed out by his public displays of fetishism, forcing other people to participate in it (and like so many AGPs, getting lauded for it). I also have the severe ick when it comes to sissy fetishes. He loves that word and it’s all over his work. They believe that there’s something about being a woman, and playing the female role sexually, that is inherently degrading. I mean, duck right off

 

[Kittypops]

IMO, it’s the (quite frankly, clever) hijacking itself to homophobia and (more recently) racism (BLM) that has allowed it to flourish and seep into society as deep as it has. People mostly have a visceral revulsion to racism and to a lesser extent, homophobia, so they want to go out of their way to of course not be supporting anything like that (which is why the argument against transgender always falls back to “it’s like what happened to gay people in the 80s/it’s like saying you wouldn’t date a black person) used as a guilty battering ram. “I don’t want to think about this right now” is a sort of admission seeping through that ‘things aren’t making sense but they should make sense because I’m not racist, or homophobic, so maybe it’s more complicated than I can understand’ (when it’s not: there is male and there is female, there are men and there are women. Literally nothing has changed or become more complicated except language and society).

Yes! The "it's like you wouldn't date a black person" so, um, their argument is saying black people are an identity now, a person, not a man, a woman, or whatever! An identity.

Tricky one for the activists to argue their way out of

(My first message in this thread, much lurking!)

 

[Vanelope]

Or maybe someone got exasperated with him and told him he needed a bomb up him?

Eddie Izzard is advertising his latest thing on TV - I think he’s a villain - and playing a man.
So confused. I got when he was a man who liked makeup and nails and heels. Go for it. But that doesn’t make you a woman and I thought he know that. And still happy to be paid to play a man on tv.

IMO, it’s the (quite frankly, clever) hijacking itself to homophobia and (more recently) racism (BLM) that has allowed it to flourish and seep into society as deep as it has. People mostly have a visceral revulsion to racism and to a lesser extent, homophobia, so they want to go out of their way to of course not be supporting anything like that (which is why the argument against transgender always falls back to “it’s like what happened to gay people in the 80s/it’s like saying you wouldn’t date a black person) used as a guilty battering ram. “I don’t want to think about this right now” is a sort of admission seeping through that ‘things aren’t making sense but they should make sense because I’m not racist, or homophobic, so maybe it’s more complicated than I can understand’ (when it’s not: there is male and there is female, there are men and there are women. Literally nothing has changed or become more complicated except language and society).

Exactly. Nice left leaning people are of course not homophobic or racist or anti Semitic - I can’t remember if it’s one word or two I know my autocorrect is wrong so made it two sorry if I offend - anyway so they don’t want to be transphobic. But what if transphobia is actually just science, common sense and safeguarding children.

 

[Ruby’s mum]

Man seeks medical help after artillery shell was lodged in his rectum

Medics called for specialist support after the man presented in the Accident and Emergency unit of Gloucestershire Royal Hospital in Gloucester when he could not remove the 57mm shell.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A bit of light relief from idiot men putting things places they shouldn't...

Do you think he found it somewhere, took it home to show his wife and he took literally where she said he should put it?

 

[Vee6]

duck off!

 

[AlanBanan]

I always love to read stories written by men and their descriptions of women, the woman will be tall, blonde hair, luscious lips, thin, long legged yet petite all at the same time and have 48DD boobs. Because DD is the biggest breast size a woman can have according to men and they think the numbers are regarding breast size not the width of their back.

 

[emm]

I always love to read stories written by men and their descriptions of women, the woman will be tall, blonde hair, luscious lips, thin, long legged yet petite all at the same time and have 48DD boobs. Because DD is the biggest breast size a woman can have according to men and they think the numbers are regarding breast size not the width of their back.

the best/most cringe thing are sex scenes written by men from the women's pov

 

[bunnyboo]

I always love to read stories written by men and their descriptions of women, the woman will be tall, blonde hair, luscious lips, thin, long legged yet petite all at the same time and have 48DD boobs. Because DD is the biggest breast size a woman can have according to men and they think the numbers are regarding breast size not the width of their back.

I have natural DD cup and there's certainly nothing even sexy about them lol. On paper a guy might think "Oh wow, a DD cup.. that's hot" but it's probably the part of my body I'm the most insecure about. I have a small frame, I'm a size 8.. but my boobs are clearly following the laws of gravity by being droopy as duck also my boobs aren't 'friends' that squish up beside each other unless I force them to by wearing a bra lmao, they both want to go their separate way.. away from each other! I think because porn has normalised big perky, pillow-like boobs on a petite frame (read: plastic surgery), and a cohort of men expect us all to have these lovely perky boobs and this couldn't be further from the truth.

If anything I wish I had smaller boobs, but I guess we always want what we don't have naturally.

 

[nothanksbabes]

A DD just means your bust is 5" larger than your back size, which isn't particularly large for most women, it's just that that's the largest size bra manufacturers used to produce back in the day, so if you had a larger bust you had to buy a bigger back size to have a cup size that would accommodate them.

Amy slim, large busted woman who tells me she's a DD I will query if she's wearing the right size. A DD really isn't big.

 

[Peachsquish]

Just seen, also has at the bottom details on how to go to the government consultation so your views can be known.

Consultation ends 10th December.

Transwoman DEBBIE HAYTON gives her view on a new Government bill

DEBBIE HAYTON: On the surface, the Bill has the laudable intention of outlawing abhorrent practices sometimes used in the past in an attempt to 'cure' people of being LGBT.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Icing _on_ the_cake]

This is quite bizarre. Imagine being told about racism or homophobia or something similar and saying 'I don't want to think about this right now.' There is something about trans issues that makes people just want to stick their head in the sand in a way that we would never do with other social issues, it's so strange

So I'm a Dawkins era atheist - big into critical thinking, science and skepticism and i got taken by this ideaology. I think most people haven't properly thought about it, they've just gone along with their liberal crowd and believed the messages about this being progressive and the new gay. It took me about 6 months over 2020 to have the moment of no return (I looked at this thread sporadically and then went about looking at things myself, Suzie Green's TED talk, trans Reddit spaces, Mermaids, detrans stories etc). That moment of peaking was finally asking myself how I knew I was a woman (investigating my own gender identity you could say) and found it was absolutely rooted in my biological experience. Take that away and you'd change nearly everything about my life.

This is basically an anti-science movement - like flat earthers. There are some people, on being faced with the incontrovertible evidence that the world is round, that can admit that they've been wrong. Then there are people who psychologically really struggle with that, especially if they've put a lot of investment into the wrong belief.

Then there's also the realization that you have the opposing belief to your tribe. I liken it to the concept of, there's water and you've been told to build a wave, and that building a wave is the absolute best and most moral thing you can do, so you and your friends are just cranking and cranking to make that wave bigger and bigger. The wave is now huge and just at this moment you realize, tit this wave is going to destroy everything and now you are faced with two choices. You either have to turn and face the wave you've just helped build, or you can try and pretend it's all not happening and keep building that wave. This is why its probably difficult for people at the heads of orgs like Nicola Sturgeon to u-turn, because they got in by building the wave and they know turning against it could destroy them.

@maytoseptember Grayson Perry gives me the heebie jeebies. I feel like he's found that he can get away with things by acting in plain sight. It just reminds me of Jimmy Saville and Michael Jackson.

 

[bcfc999]

"please be mindful, I am a woman who thinks they are a man and I require every person ever to change the terminology they use around issues that affect women to accommodate me"

Related but not linked - has anyone here ever written to their MP about protecting women's sex-based rights and if so what kind of response did you get?

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

the best/most cringe thing are sex scenes written by men from the women's pov

See Giles Coren for reference.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

This was on a Facebook page called 'United States against Women'

They then tell us to stop using the word woman in regard to abortions.

Also, abortion advocate? I'm pro choice but abortion advocate is such a strange choice of words. It's pro choice, not pro abortion. It's not like we're encouraging women to go around having loads of abortions, it's that we want the woman to have the choice.

 

[nothanksbabes]

"please be mindful, I am a woman who thinks they are a man and I require every person ever to change the terminology they use around issues that affect women to accommodate me"

Related but not linked - has anyone here ever written to their MP about protecting women's sex-based rights and if so what kind of response did you get?

This is a perfect example of how this rhetoric and ideology muddies the waters and makes it harder to protect women as a class. This person is not a man and men are not discriminated against in respect of their reproductive rights, but here we are using language to try and alter reality in the name of "inclusivity", and the result is women not being able to describe their own bleeping experience adequately without some form of WHAT ABOUT MEN, be they actual men, people who think they're men... whatever we do someone is talking about men men men men men.

 

[holliebollie]

Even Pinterest is now getting in on it when there is NO reason to do so. Who ‘refers to’ anyone on Pinterest?! I don’t even look at whose pins I’m saving, let alone talk about that random person to anyone else in my life… Jesus Christ. Also saw on Hinge this week (swiftly deleted)… any man with he/him on there would get a swift pass mo matter how good looking.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I'm sorry but there are few things more unsexy than those weak liberal he/ him men.

 

[Ispyabudgetbeanblogger]

"please be mindful, I am a woman who thinks they are a man and I require every person ever to change the terminology they use around issues that affect women to accommodate me"

Related but not linked - has anyone here ever written to their MP about protecting women's sex-based rights and if so what kind of response did you get?

Yes, Labour MP. Response was a mindfuck. He agreed with me on everything, empathised, etc and concluded his response by saying self ID is not an issue and trans peace the most marginalised. I had to reread it 5 times, because it was so contradictory.

 

[Satisfying Click]

Now a significant minority of transwomen look to be AGPs or at least have a fetish for dressing as a woman, I'd like Eddie Izzard and Grayson Perry to f-off thanks. I really like his wife's advice columns and books but I can't take her seriously if she gives him air to behave like that, getting off on our reactions to him looking like the shittest woman on earth.

Not only that, but looking like a subpar version of her. The bob, the glasses, the exaggerated make up, big dresses and statement jewellery. It's not a coincidence.

All the psychotherapy training in the world couldn't help me with that...

 

[emm]

Even Pinterest is now getting in on it when there is NO reason to do so. Who ‘refers to’ anyone on Pinterest?! I don’t even look at whose pins I’m saving, let alone talk about that random person to anyone else in my life… Jesus Christ. Also saw on Hinge this week (swiftly deleted)… any man with he/him on there would get a swift pass mo matter how good looking.
View attachment 904757

Of course there is the ootion to edit for those whose pronouns change every couple of hours