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Its deception - i dont care if they feel theyre the opposite gender, they wear a dress and cut & tuck themselves away - the other person should know, to be fully informed.
 
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So I'm into fashion, I take interest in it, I like looking nice....but I have never read anything so vain as this in all my life.

Every person in this reads like the affected spoiled new kid characters in Enid Blyton books. It's insanely #firstworldproblems (oh my god, I'm staying awake at night wondering whether my dungarees today make me a she/they or a he/they and should I update that fact on my insta bio?)

That is an incredibly self indulgent piece of writing.

Reminds me of not so long ago, a poem read out by Gray Crosbie experienced enormous backlash. It has the same self indulgent tone. To the extent the BBC channel on Twitter had to come out to defend their choice to tweet it.

Haircuts Between The Binary | A Poem By Gray Crosbie If you want to check it out…

The poet ignored the fact that many salons are gender neutral anyway, cater for male and female hairstyles. It was also grotesquely scathing of what Gray Crosbie deemed “female”

The literal definition of creating a self imposed problem and victimising yourself because you want to be interesting
 
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That is an incredibly self indulgent piece of writing.

Reminds me of not so long ago, a poem read out by Gray Crosbie experienced enormous backlash. It has the same self indulgent tone. To the extent the BBC channel on Twitter had to come out to defend their choice to tweet it.

Haircuts Between The Binary | A Poem By Gray Crosbie If you want to check it out…

The poet ignored the fact that many salons are gender neutral anyway, cater for male and female hairstyles. It was also grotesquely scathing of what Gray Crosbie deemed “female”

The literal definition of creating a self imposed problem and victimising yourself because you want to be interesting
Literally, all of these people just want to seem different hence all these bizarre definitions for everything . Remember back in the day when people would just say they didn’t want to put themselves in a box in terms of dating men or women, now it seems certain people are desperate to put themselves in the narrowest most niche box ever
 
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It's like when they blame single mothers for this sort of thing without irony, like absentee fathers are being bleeping spirited away against their will.
Yeh, and women with absentee fathers bear the shame, as though it was their fault and it’s turned into a sexual fetish that women with daddy issues are more keen to please in bed. Instead of recognising it as a potentially traumatic event in a young woman’s life, it’s used to sexualise her.

You don’t get men being sexualised for having “daddy issues”. Absentee fathers don’t bear any shame, many go on to have second families free from judgement or blame.
 
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Its deception - i dont care if they feel theyre the opposite gender, they wear a dress and cut & tuck themselves away - the other person should know, to be fully informed.
Fully agree with this. A 'neo tina' is not anywhere near the real thing and the other person has a right to know.
 
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My MIL had a great response to a post by a "non-binary" man about how he should be allowed to use womens toilets because of abuse by men - "You think the attention you get wearing a dress is scary, just imagine what it's like for a teenage girl going out and have some empathy!"
 
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And I know that transwomen like to imagine all men are uncontrollably attracted to them but the reality is that straight men won't be. And surgery or not, straight men aren't just attracted to vaginas, in the same way I'm attracted to men and that includes the whole package, not just a fool
 
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Fully agree with this. A 'neo tina' is not anywhere near the real thing and the other person has a right to know.
I think what I find problematic with this is that if someone has a genetic abnormality or a medical condition pertaining to their genitals, do they need to disclose this before a sexual encounter? I personally don't think so, unless it's a STD.

ETA: I don't actually think true deception can happen very often in real life. Photos are one thing, but meeting people in person, you can generally tell fairly quickly. I know some trans people talk a lot about passing, but I don't think they consider that the vast majority of people are just polite.
 
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I'd agree with you on all counts there! And yes, surgery or no, they are very rarely 'stealth'

Even if you look at TW that have spent thousands upon thousands on 'passing', very few do. Caitlin Jenner with all his wealth, you'd still clock him being trans in seconds
 
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You would explain if you had a condition pertaining to the genitals though. There would be nothing worse than being in the throes of passion and then being rejected by someone because of a condition. If you are having a sexual encounter with someone they are going to notice.
 
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I think what I find problematic with this is that if someone has a genetic abnormality or a medical condition pertaining to their genitals, do they need to disclose this before a sexual encounter? I personally don't think so, unless it's a STD.

ETA: I don't actually think true deception can happen very often in real life. Photos are one thing, but meeting people in person, you can generally tell fairly quickly. I know some trans people talk a lot about passing, but I don't think they consider that the vast majority of people are just polite.
I would assume they would disclose it. A deformity or medical issue isnt quite the same as literally swapping gender.
 
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I'd agree with you on all counts there! And yes, surgery or no, they are very rarely 'stealth'

Even if you look at TW that have spent thousands upon thousands on 'passing', very few do. Caitlin Jenner with all his wealth, you'd still clock him being trans in seconds
And Munroe Bergdorf. You just know. Plus, no hips or waist.
 
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FTM pass better than MTF I think. I'd absolutely feel lied to, and ive been with men and women. We shouldnt just have to accept it. Our bodies, our choice who gets to see/touch/be intimate with.
 
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You would explain if you had a condition pertaining to the genitals though. There would be nothing worse than being in the throes of passion and then being rejected by someone because of a condition. If you are having a sexual encounter with someone they are going to notice.
Yeah to be honest I don't really know enough about the various conditions that could occur to comment but in the case of a post of (whether you're MTF or FTM) it should definitely be disclosed
 
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I am very wary of allowing "trans panic" defences in law. The essence of this is that if a man feels he has been "tricked" into gay sex (or was going to be), it's justified for him to harm or kill the other person. That would invariably pave the way to allowing defence for homophobic hate crimes. But there'd be less support for it if some TRAs didn't try to promote the idea that any prospective romantic/sexual partner doesn't need to know your biological sex and being expected to tell them is hateful
 
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More madness. The authors name is apparently ‘lil miss hot mess’??? Because that sounds like a totally normal pseudonym for a kids author. The comments on the original post are all falling over themselves to buy it. I despair.

 
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I feel like my daughter's early life is going to be typified by me trying to keep her away from bloody drag queens and furries, FFS. So much drag. Why??
 
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🤯

I’m starting to think I’m breaking barriers and standing in the firing line by telling the world I’m straight and female.

its such a foreign concept right now, I feel like you’re judged if you’re not at least bi.

why can we not just all…. NOT give a tit, and let people be what they want without forcing it down everyone’s neck.
no offense to anyone I don’t give a tit if your male, female, gay, straight.
I give a tit when you try to use it as a weapon against others.
Why does every conversation on twitter include the term cis these days. Or “white cis” if you’re going for a double blow and throwing racism in.
 
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Men absolutely use "cis" and / or "white" as a thin veneer for their misogyny so that if challenged they can say "well we're not talking about all women, only these ones"
 
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