Gender Discussion #13

[maytoseptember]

Same, this is one of my favourite threads with my favourite posters and I keep dipping out because there always seems to be an oddball at the moment. Not sure how many of them are the same person or just someone looking for an argument but it’s annoying!

I know. This thread has always been so friendly and respectful, it genuinely upset me to see all this graphic talk in favour of porn & BDSM etc.

My spidey senses started tingling when that poster said something disparaging about Emily Maitlis and Naga Munchetty (Naga especially attracts a lot of misogynistic hate on Twitter). I had a feeling the poster was a man. I pulled them up on it but they didn’t respond. The “pay gap myth” stuff is also a very male complaint. I’m sure it’s the same person.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

The casual reference to mutilating her newborn baby put me off anything she had to say tbh

Maybe the fact we, as a society still see cutting babies genitals as normal and acceptable, is why so many people are able to accept further mutilation of "trans" children.

Personally I don't think we should ever be removing the healthy normal body parts of children of any age.

 

[maytoseptember]

This isn’t menacing, threatening or gaslighting at all.

 

[Vanelope]

Women are being hit from all sides.

AGP men fetishise about becoming women and demand access to all our spaces and accommodations made to allow them to pretend in the real world.

Young women, especially young gay women, are being targeted by the media that makes them think they are boys and should bind and mutilate themselves.

Mediocre sportsmen are targeting women’s sport so they can win medals and deny women their own victories. A woman will be killed by a trans sportsperson in rugby or combat sport before this is stopped.

men want an easier time in prison and also access to women so they identify as women to get into women’s prisons. See also hospitals.

TiM are being wrongly identified as female when committing crimes, vastly skewing data especially for sexual offences.

TiM as diversity hires in male dominated industries are cutting out women entirely.

Eddie Izzard is apparently the most successful women comedian now - is she shite. All of the successful tours were as a man. If they were done now they wouldn’t be as successful.

The list is endless

Over on Instagram - why is this now how you advertise a dress? The first image seen.

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

I’ve seen him before. He doesn’t claim to be a woman, just likes heels and pencil skirts. It’s not a recent thing either. His shoe collection is extensive. Id allow it - like early Eddie Izzard.

I much prefer a man keeping in touch with reality by acknowledging that he, a man simply enjoys heels and skirts. As opposed to a man who tries to convince everyone he is a woman because he wears heels and skirts.

It doesn’t need fawning over but I think it’s good to show men/boys that wearing feminine clothes doesn’t make you trans. They really are just clothes.

 

[AlanBanan]

So you agree all men are dangerous when they don’t get their own way?

It’s also a very double sided response - blame women for the actions of men, whilst in the second paragraph admits men are dangerous to society.

No one owes you anything especially women. They’re the same people who are in the comments on articles surrounding women’s issues with their “WHAT ABOUT MEN?” rampages.

They also always talking about how women think they are entitled to men protecting them. No, women are entitled not to be raped, beaten up and murdered by men. Hence why those actions are illegal.

Another thing is that they love to bring up that men get longer sentences in prison - when in reality, the reason why men get longer sentences is because they’ve committed a more heinous act. Whilst a majority of female offenders are sentenced on non violent crimes.

Men being victimised is a minority statistic. Men are afraid of other men. Get it fucking together you selfish entitled pieces of useless flesh. Your ma should’ve swallowed.

 

[emmer_moans]

When will karma come for Jones? Seriously. Such a smug sanctimonius crettin.

Heartbreaking that a gay man was attacked and bullied at Pride. Who is the event supposed to be for, again?!

 

[ManicMayz]

Thanks to lurking on this thread I ended up buying Helen Joyce's book on kindle and accidentally staying up till the wee hours reading it. Now I'm knackered and enlightened and it's all your fault!

 

[AnderbeauJohnson]

So this is now a bar in Edinburgh actively discriminating against women at the behest of a trans member of staff. 5 police Scotland officers arrived because Marion Millar was there. Unbelievable.

"ACAB! Defund the Police! No More Police!"

...Unless a woman wears a shirt we don't like. Then the police are awesome.

 

[Satisfying Click]

That will never happen. I spite of everything no one actually believes TWAW. Literally no one. They may pretend they do but they don’t. I am convinced that in a few years the whole movement will disappear up it‘s own arse.

Yeah, I've noticed on my social media feed that people are either TWAW or silent, and when I've spoken to the silent types one-on-one, everyone without fail is gender critical. There are far more of these silent types than TWAW in numbers, they are just fearful of the pile-ons.

Once the doctors, surgeons and parents are taken to task over causing irreparable harm to children, society will look back on this as the lobotomy of our time and the blue-haired kids will find something else to align themselves with as they'll see gender ideology as having gone too mainstream.

 

[Dear Reader]

There was a 'scandal' at my uni either this year or last, I can't remember. Long story short, my uni is very much how everyone has been describing them in this thread. We have a feminist soc which is very TWAW, so another soc established themselves for women who disagreed but wanted to avoid confrontation and just have a safe space to talk about issues facing themselves and women in general. The society's policy was women only, understandably. They were doing a series of zoom talks about sexual assault and a trans woman showed up, interrupted, and refused to leave. It was really distressing for everyone, considering it was meant to be a safe space in general let alone whilst talking about such a sensitive topic. Yet the society was slammed for kicking the trans woman out. The story was in local newspapers and even went to the uni board etc. It was horrific. Women, even when doing so peacefully, are not allowed their own spaces anymore.

 

[BunnyLebowski]

I’m so sick of being bullied into participating in these people’s fantasy without my consent.
just fuck off.

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

Just saw this thread and came on here out of curiosity and am happy to see I'm not alone in my thinking. Often times it's difficult to voice an opinion against a trans person irl because people immediately label you some "phobic" when all it is, is that I as a woman feel some of my rights are being thrown out the window to make transpeople happy

 

[AlanBanan]

Trans people do nothing for the LGBT community other than make everything about themselves. Transgenderism and narcissism go hand in hand.

 

[Icing _on_ the_cake]

I'm kind of seeing this within my family dynamic right now. I'm only 30 and not even a parent but I think it's important for kids to learn how to be uncomfortable and understand they might not get what they want -- at least right away. And they might fail at things, over and over sometimes.

There's someone in my family who is coming up for 20 this year and she can't be uncomfortable or experience uncomfortable emotions without looking to her mum to fix it for her - that often looks like buying her something or taking her somewhere. Sometimes this involves the extended family to come together to find a solution to make this one person happy, but of course she's a bottomless pit that just wants more.

I think overindulgence is the issue and being treated as the absolute centre of attention/most important person. I imagine it's a rude awakening when those dynamics don't apply outside of the family. I personally think it makes for people who have narcissistic traits.

Abgail Shrier talked a bit about this in her book. She thinks some Gen X parents in the US are sort of over-therapising some kids, like she mentioned someone getting a counsellor for their daughter because she was upset about her guinea pig dying. Therapy is really useful, I've done it and it's helped me a lot, but sometimes I think we over-diagnose or pathologise normal human ranges of emotion. The guinea pig situation is something where it was the parents job to model appropriate behaviour and you could say a good opportunity to prepare your child to deal better with grief in the future. Sending your kid to a therapist over it could basically make the incident bigger and bigger in the child's head and you are also rather out-sourcing the parenting to the therapist.

One thing I noticed over this last hellish year and a half, is this idea that you can't just feel down. You have to do something to stop it - go for a walk in nature being the frustrating go-to advice. There are times over the last year where I felt really shit, and I tried to do the 'wellbeing' stuff. I tried to go for a walk but just felt shit on the walk rather than in the house. I then decided to take another tack. Instead of trying hard to fix the feeling bad, I decided just to allow myself to feel shit. So I'd mope around feeling down and what I found is that I got the feeling shit out of the way and once I'd done that then I felt more functional. Sometimes you just have to sit with feeling crap and get the feeling crap done with rather than pushing and pushing it away. And there are times where feeling shit is a completely normal and rational response - like when you've been isolated for months on end due to a pandemic.

 

[chorizorice]

I feel especially sad today about having no friends or peers my age who share my worries about this. As grateful as I am for this thread and my radfem mum, both keep me sane, I don’t think I know a single person of my age group who sees the danger for women in this like I do.
What ages are here? I’m 23

 

[mindlessness]

If that's the kind of magical thinking you want to employ, it's up to you.

Baffled in a thread full of feminists this is a thing you are calling ‘magical thinking’. Seriously?

Also baffled you think a homophobic group is ‘mighty sensible’.

Hazte Oir sound mighty sensible. They have every right to campaign against these things if they want to. That's the beauty of a free society.

 

[2020two]

Too many men complained I am sure

All about the

Any man who sits at home paying a subscription free to watch women prance around their bedrooms naked while they promote how great sex work is is just fucking weird to me. Gives me the ick! I might have to add that to a first date screening question "Do you subscribe to anyone's Of? Ok bye saddo"

 

[Clover123]

I can only imagine the issue people will have with infections from this

Infections, ingrown hairs, bleeding, severe pain when trying to have sex... it is crazy that people are actually trying to compare an open wound to a vagina. It's crazy that we are mutilating people to this extent. I just can't wrap my head around it!

 

[AlanBanan]

exactly, as usual the attitude towards anything men do is just a kind of "boys will be boys" attitude

I kind of like it when an obvious man or TRA comes in here, because the majority of them are so self centred, self righteous and narcissistic that they will come here with their outrageous statements and expect us all to say “OH WOW YOU’RE COMPLETELY RIGHT THANKS FOR LEADING US TO THE RIGHT PATH YOU GOD SENT HUNK OF A MAN!” Whilst bowing and kissing their feet. Only for us to tell them in the kindest way possible to fuck off.