Gender Discussion #13

[Satisfying Click]

wtaf so we should start dating people we don't like/are attracted to to make some kind of "woke"point. jesus christ

It's also happening in the body positivity community where some activists claim you're fatphobic if you're not willing to date larger people. It's as though a generation of young people have been raised without hearing the word, 'No,' and are getting into a tantrum as a result, except it's leeching into sex and relationships.

For years feminists were banging the drum of the importance of consent, respect and boundaries in everyday life, and yet people are being expected to unravel their boundaries for someone else's validation. It's so, so dangerous.

 

[Cocobaby09]

From what I've seen online of incels, they seem to be socially awkward men with nothing to offer a women or society in general. But instead of accepting their place/lot in the world, or working on self improvement, they have fallen down an internet rabbit hole that conveniently blames women for everything. It's probably theirs mums fault they are too unattractive to get a girl.

The internet has a lot to answer for. internet porn set unrealistic standards of what women should look like and how they should behave, and there are sick individuals influencing the lost and the lonely to hate their fellow human.

This sums them up accurately

 

[Whatevesmate]

If men want to participate in this debate then I have no issue with it. If men want to minimise the gender pay gap or deny the systemic oppression that women experience within the workplace then I'm not interested in engaging.

I don’t care what people earn…. because statistically I’m always going to earn more (as a man)

sigh

women don’t get the same jobs and same pay grades is the point. they are limited by their other responsibilities and often have to take lower paying jobs to fit around them. Women make up fewer leadership and executive roles in most industries.

Absolutely agree. I don't think we should waste our precious energy engaging with such spurious arguments. We are here to talk about men invading women's spaces!

 

[judgejohndeed]

Non-men is horrendously offensive and backwards, I really don’t understand people who don’t think the purpose of this movement is to erase women tbh

 

[Falkor]

I've noticed that Graham Linehan (Father Ted etc.) has an insta that is v pro women's rights in this area. Not sure of the background to that though. Sorry if it's already been mentioned.

Try his substack if you like his Instagram

The Glinner Update | Graham Linehan | Substack

All the latest on gender woo from beloved Internet personality, Glinner. Click to read The Glinner Update, a Substack publication with tens of thousands of subscribers.

grahamlinehan.substack.com

I first started following Graham Linehan on Twitter during the Ireland abortion rights campaign - then a trans writer I also followed a while later did a really harsh tweet saying she was amazed she had followers who also followed him and you should unfollow for transphobia and basically said they would start naming people. He has been cancelled by Twitter and a lot of the media for hate speech for sticking up for women. I think the media will start to work it’s way round to praising him eventually / and Rowling. The article by Simon callow in the Times was also important.

Bit in bold - it always amuses me when people talk about the right side of history, because I look around and see JK Rowling, Simon Callow, Martina Navratilova and Sharron Davies standing on the same side as me and think that's honestly pretty good company to be in.

 

[Whatevesmate]

This might be unpopular but if we want to keep our spaces then we have to let Men do the same with their men only clubs. I know it's difficult as business is done in these places and that excludes women but the answer to this is to start our own businesses and more and more women are ( real businesses not silly #bossbabe MLM businesses)

I think this is false equivalence. Men have only ever kept women out of their clubs to 'keep women in their place'. We only want spaces to feel safe from the male gaze, male violence, male oppression and domination. If men want a men only therapy group for example, then I nor the vast majority of women would have any objection.

 

[judgejohndeed]

Apparently scientists say it's theoretically completely possible to insert a uterus and for it to be like any other womb transplant given to a woman.

I know I've written essays and essays on this topic in these threads before so I won't repeat myself but just one point - I find it extremely hard to believe any medical expert worth their salt really thinks it's that simple given the dearth of knowledge about PND, PMDD, endometriosis, PCOS, etc. If they're not even sure about how some of these naturally occurring (potentially) conditions work, then I really doubt they can be confident that putting a womb into a man will work just fine. Bodies aren't Lego parts ffs.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

Born in the wrong body is just such a wrong message, not just to trans children but across the board. How must it make disabled people feel, or children that don't feel their looks match up to beauty standards. You are your body you can't be born in the wrong one, you need to accept what you are.

The way the school explained trans'ing to my step son was so weird and confusing. No wonder so many children are getting confused about their gender. It was explained that these people are special and have some sort of power to change their sex that others don't have, but also needed Dr help, equating it in the same way to someone that needs medical help for a injury or illness or something.

 

[maytoseptember]

Starting to wonder if we have people with XY chromosomes in this thread stirring the pot.

 

[AlanBanan]

Here’s another thing I dislike about society’s contempt against women.

Why are single mothers considered terrible and always made fun of, even though they’re the parent that stuck around?

 

[rosemarina]

I disagree because the reason women need single-sex spaces is primarily safety and dignity (i.e. because men as a group can't or won't behave decently). The reason men want single-sex spaces is to maintain their own privilege and prevent women getting a fair look-in.

 

[AlanBanan]

I seen this on Reddit yesterday and I thought you guys would like it too

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

Help me, I've just been on Twitter and seen this. What's wrong with the world. Do people really think this. My vagina is not a hole to thrust stuff in, it make me feel sad that people (men) think that. My children came from my vagina, it's not an inverted cock.

 

[colouredlines]

Hazte Oir sound mighty sensible. They have every right to campaign against these things if they want to. That's the beauty of a free society.

OK, so you believe it's "mighty sensible" to campaign against companies who show same-sex couples in TV ads.

You say that you have "never ever" found Christians to be racist.

You don't believe that the gender pay gap exists.

It seems that you are coming at this from a wildly different position from most of us on this thread.

There was actually a poster with similar viewpoints to you, but she hasn't posted since Saturday...the day your account started posting. Any thoughts on kink?

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

Hi all, new to the thread but not new to being in dispair about trans and the effect it is having on children and women's rights

At a guess I would say the medical treatment they have to wait for , is mastectomies and hrt. Because funnily enough, women with breast cancer get theirs breasts removed pretty quickly, and trans people that just want their healthy body parts removed have to wait for ages.

 

[Vanelope]

Here’s me sat in agony with the worst cramps I’ve had in a few months almost sick because of the pain…but yes of course having an estrogen injection is comparable to feeling like your insides are being torn out…

It’s pathetic isn’t it. Do they bleed every month? Have to worry about staining clothes, chairs, running out of sanitary protection, strings showing when swimming, missing swimming altogether, stuffing a tampon or pad up their sleeve when going to the bathroom, being in a place with no sanitary bin, do you rinse a menstrual cup in a communal sink, try to hide bloody hands from view when going to wash, stuff pants with tissue (or a sock) in an emergency… all the while dealing with cramps and whatever mild side effects of excess hormones you might have. Periods are an often ugly and inconvenient part of life that we can try to make better but it is uniquely female. Why do they need to take it?

 

[colouredlines]

Wtf. This feels like mockery . Women in some workplaces are still expected to wear skirts not trousers and heels not flats, yet these men are getting away with acting like absolute clowns and are hailed heroes.
Also enough of this "cis" bullshit.

I don't care if men want to wear heels, skirts, makeup...but I don't understand why they get fawned over for it.

It's like Tom Daly knitting at the Olympics, which became an international news story with endless pieces about how wonderful it was. Why must men be celebrated for doing unremarkable things?

 

[skronkywildcat]

I don’t have any problem with the police cars but I would rather they spent money on recruiting officers who weren’t racist/sexist/homophobic in the first place.

And if anyone needs reassuring the police are here to help them it’s women and black people. It was a woman who was raped and murdered by a police office recently.

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

Having spoke to them it's isn't what they mean in this case, which is more confusing.

She doesn't want people to use 'her' as she doesn't identify with it? But she still likes 'she', so it's removing 'her' for 'they' but nothing else at the minute

Shouldn’t she be replacing ‘her’ with ‘their’ not ‘they’. I mean… it just makes no sense.

Straight people identifing as bi comes back to this idea that people are what they say they are, not what they are based on their reality or actions.

How many women who have exclusively been in relationships with men,have thought about same sex relationships or fantasied about lesbian sex. That does not make you bi. You can't identify as bi. You are bi if you have sexual relationships with both men and women. If you go on to marry , you are still bi because of your actions in the past.

Just thinking about sex with the same sex does not make you gay. It's your actions.

I know someone who is ‘bi’ but has always always had relationships with men and is now married to one. She is forever crying during pride month about ‘bi visibility’ which I could get on board with, but her reason is because she finds it mildly annoying that people assume she is straight, despite always being in relationships with men for forever. I dunno, I’m not in the ‘prove it’ camp but I feel like if you’re bi, but have only ever been in straight relationships, then you can’t really be upset that people assume you’re straight. Who cares what other people think anyway? This obsession with wanting to control what/how people think of you is so weird. Weren’t we always told growing up to not care what others think as long as you weren’t hurting anyone? I feel like social media has totally killed off that way of thinking.

 

[Platformcrocs]

OK, so you believe it's "mighty sensible" to campaign against companies who show same-sex couples in TV ads.

You say that you have "never ever" found Christians to be racist.

You don't believe that the gender pay gap exists.

It seems that you are coming at this from a wildly different position from most of us on this thread.

There was actually a poster with similar viewpoints to you, but she hasn't posted since Saturday...the day your account started posting. Any thoughts on kink?

I'm catching up and glad this was noticed because I also thought the same. 100% the same person. I'm getting sick of new profiles popping up here just to start shit. The kink stuff was very jarring, I don't have the energy to argue back but glad there's some women here who can clearly articulate why it's an issue.