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View attachment 713034So you agree all men are dangerous when they don’t get their own way?

It’s also a very double sided response - blame women for the actions of men, whilst in the second paragraph admits men are dangerous to society.

No one owes you anything especially women. They’re the same people who are in the comments on articles surrounding women’s issues with their “WHAT ABOUT MEN?” rampages.

They also always talking about how women think they are entitled to men protecting them. No, women are entitled not to be raped, beaten up and murdered by men. Hence why those actions are illegal.

Another thing is that they love to bring up that men get longer sentences in prison - when in reality, the reason why men get longer sentences is because they’ve committed a more heinous act. Whilst a majority of female offenders are sentenced on non violent crimes.

Men being victimised is a minority statistic. Men are afraid of other men. Get it bleeping together you selfish entitled pieces of useless flesh. Your ma should’ve swallowed.
They conveniently forget that these “men” have fathers too.
 
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From what I've seen online of incels, they seem to be socially awkward men with nothing to offer a women or society in general. But instead of accepting their place/lot in the world, or working on self improvement, they have fallen down an internet rabbit hole that conveniently blames women for everything. It's probably theirs mums fault they are too unattractive to get a girl.

The internet has a lot to answer for. internet porn set unrealistic standards of what women should look like and how they should behave, and there are sick individuals influencing the lost and the lonely to hate their fellow human.
This sums them up accurately

 
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The internet has a lot to answer for. It radicalises people in lots of ways by forming huge online “communities” or echo chambers and can trigger people into abnormal behaviour.

It has replaced religion as the number one way of controlling large groups of people imho.

The problem is, you can’t moderate it, because who moderates the moderators? It relies on the narrative being set. For example in the current climate, trans rights would be top of the pile and we wouldn’t be able to discuss it.

sorry this is just brain dumping into a post. 😂
 
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I think the easy availability and content of porn is a huge issue in all of this, as others have said before. When I was young, a boy might stumble upon a mag from their friend's Dad or try to catch a glimpse of boob in the Littlewoods catalogue but nowadays hardcore, unrealistic and utterly vile porn can be accessed in a couple of clicks from their bedrooms. My daughter is 12 and the things the boys come out with in group chats just beggars belief. Leaving aside their views on women in general, the comments about rape genuinely shocked me.
 
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Leaving aside their views on women in general, the comments about rape genuinely shocked me.
When you have websites that teach men how to rape women (apparently there was a subreddit that did this) it’s no wonder boys have this skewed take on women.
 
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Suggested “gender-inclusive terms” for “breastfeeding” include “chestfeeding, lactating, expressing, pumping, human milk feeding.” Alternatives for “breast milk” include “milk, human milk, mother’s own milk, parent’s milk, father’s milk.”


“Language has power,” said Dr. Laura Kair, one of the authors and medical director of well newborn care at UC Davis Children’s Hospital, in a statement.

“The language that we use should be as inclusive as possible when discussing infant feeding,” she said. “When working with patients it is best to ask them their affirmed terminology. When communicating medical research, language should accurately reflect the population studied so as not to mask research needs.”
So considering 99.9% of people in the world who give birth aren't trans then medical language should still say breastfeeding and breast milk? I guess not.
 
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First time posting on Tattle. I came here following the Sali Hughes freaky Friday vid - thanks Sal 😉 - and found this thread. It's been such a relief to see smart, funny, thoughtful women discussing in detail so many of the issues that have been infuriating me for ages. I've been in bed for the past fortnight with pneumonia and in between coughing and sleeping I have been working my way through the whole of this discussion. Just what the doctor ordered!

I am a survivor of extensive CSA and I am horrified and outraged by so much of what is being advocated by so called progressives. I was banned from Twatter last year after attempting to expose the utter noncery of "MAP's" - despite the fact that I was trolled relentlessly, threatened with rape and murder and eventually doxxed. Yet I got banned for erm, hateful behaviour 😐

I am so angry that so many of us are too scared to challenge this trans BS for fear of the repercussions. Its not progressive its fascism. I say this as someone with left-wing, political beliefs. I currently feel like I have no political home and despite years of activism feel really burned out and hopeless.

Anyhow I finally plucked up the courage to post here. I want to connect with others who see this for the dangerous, toxic and regressive BS it is. So hi 👋 and thank you all for giving me a glimmer of hope.
I know exactly how you feel. Due to my job I cannot risk going on social media to state a lot of my opinions openly. I certainly don't want to row with dangerous idiots on Twatter that I don't know.

I believe that we are the silent majority. Like you I was always a Labour voter but I stopped voting some years back as I don't agree with so much that is being advocated now. While I am sympathetic to people who genuinely have gender dysphoria and wish to live their lives as members of the opposite sex I am very much against self-ID, the lack of consideration towards women and appallingly misogyny you see every day.

I very much agree with the opinions expressed by JK Rowling who has been relentlessly attacked by TRAs and has experienced horrific backlash from unthinking idiots trotting out the party line. I keep wondering what the hell has happened to drive society backwards and to be so intolerant.

The whole MAP thing is disgusting. Twatter has a lot to answer for and I'm very concerned over who actually moderates on there because many sinister agendas seem to go unchallenged.

View attachment 713034So you agree all men are dangerous when they don’t get their own way?

It’s also a very double sided response - blame women for the actions of men, whilst in the second paragraph admits men are dangerous to society.

No one owes you anything especially women. They’re the same people who are in the comments on articles surrounding women’s issues with their “WHAT ABOUT MEN?” rampages.

They also always talking about how women think they are entitled to men protecting them. No, women are entitled not to be raped, beaten up and murdered by men. Hence why those actions are illegal.

Another thing is that they love to bring up that men get longer sentences in prison - when in reality, the reason why men get longer sentences is because they’ve committed a more heinous act. Whilst a majority of female offenders are sentenced on non violent crimes.

Men being victimised is a minority statistic. Men are afraid of other men. Get it bleeping together you selfish entitled pieces of useless flesh. Your ma should’ve swallowed.
I've just taken a look at his website. He advocates homeopathic treatment for 'at least a year' to people with autism 🙄
I'm certainly not convinced about that!

As for his views that men's lack of direction in life is the fault of women he can duck off. Why is everyone a bloody 'victim' these days. These twats need to get up off their arses and do something with their lives. 🤮
 
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The domestic incident headline I think came from the police as that’s what they were reporting it as at the time.


I have found that anything gender non conforming or unisex (design wise) is always the very opposite of feminine and becomes very masculine.
And it’s daft since women have been wearing trousers and “rational dress” since the Suffragettes and probably before!

I wear jeans most of the time. Yes I wear women’s ones but it’s hardly newsworthy and certainly doesn’t make me androgynous or NB
 
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I know exactly how you feel. Due to my job I cannot risk going on social media to state a lot of my opinions openly. I certainly don't want to row with dangerous idiots on Twatter that I don't know.

I believe that we are the silent majority. Like you I was always a Labour voter but I stopped voting some years back as I don't agree with so much that is being advocated now. While I am sympathetic to people who genuinely have gender dysphoria and wish to live their lives as members of the opposite sex I am very much against self-ID, the lack of consideration towards women and appallingly misogyny you see every day.

I very much agree with the opinions expressed by JK Rowling who has been relentlessly attacked by TRAs and has experienced horrific backlash from unthinking idiots trotting out the party line. I keep wondering what the hell has happened to drive society backwards and to be so intolerant.

The whole MAP thing is disgusting. Twatter has a lot to answer for and I'm very concerned over who actually moderates on there because many sinister agendas seem to go unchallenged.


I've just taken a look at his website. He advocates homeopathic treatment for 'at least a year' to people with autism 🙄
I'm certainly not convinced about that!

As for his views that men's lack of direction in life is the fault of women he can duck off. Why is everyone a bloody 'victim' these days. These twats need to get up off their arses and do something with their lives. 🤮
I agree that Twatter plays a key role in all of this BS. I really do question what the objective is with those at the top. So far it seems to be to advance the voices of men who think they can be women and those who want to normalise abusing kids. It also gives a false impression about the views of the general population. But as you say the way in which JKR has been treated is horrifying and has extended beyond SM. So even though the average Harry Potter fan is probably oblivious to what all of the furore is about it has had real life consequences for JKR and all of us.

I imagine its incredibly distressing to experience genuine dysphoria but should we be colluding with it never mind applauding it 🙄 As far as I'm concerned men can never be women and those that I have met always look like men dressed up as women to me. Surgery and hormones do not magically make someone a woman. The fact that this even needs saying is absurd! And this is part of what disturbs me so much - that we are all meant to deny objective reality because it offends others. This is a dangerous road to go down with frightening implications.

I'm so bleeping angry that we are being silenced because we are scared of the consequences. I was recently at a meeting where we were expected to give our pronouns before our names. When it came to my turn I just ignored the pronoun bit and stated my name. I could see that a couple of people had clocked what I was doing but let it go. I reasoned that if we were expected to comply because we didn't want to offend then I would not comply on the same basis. If I had been challenged I would have stated - you all know that I am a woman - and hoped for the best. However its possible that there are already people who have labelled me as a "TERF" and I'm really not sure what I will do if I am challenged directly. I can't be sacked as I am freelance but I can lose work and face attack and exposure in my field of work. Getting to the point that I don't give AF.
 
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I agree that Twatter plays a key role in all of this BS. I really do question what the objective is with those at the top. So far it seems to be to advance the voices of men who think they can be women and those who want to normalise abusing kids. It also gives a false impression about the views of the general population. But as you say the way in which JKR has been treated is horrifying and has extended beyond SM. So even though the average Harry Potter fan is probably oblivious to what all of the furore is about it has had real life consequences for JKR and all of us.

I imagine its incredibly distressing to experience genuine dysphoria but should we be colluding with it never mind applauding it 🙄 As far as I'm concerned men can never be women and those that I have met always look like men dressed up as women to me. Surgery and hormones do not magically make someone a woman. The fact that this even needs saying is absurd! And this is part of what disturbs me so much - that we are all meant to deny objective reality because it offends others. This is a dangerous road to go down with frightening implications.

I'm so bleeping angry that we are being silenced because we are scared of the consequences. I was recently at a meeting where we were expected to give our pronouns before our names. When it came to my turn I just ignored the pronoun bit and stated my name. I could see that a couple of people had clocked what I was doing but let it go. I reasoned that if we were expected to comply because we didn't want to offend then I would not comply on the same basis. If I had been challenged I would have stated - you all know that I am a woman - and hoped for the best. However its possible that there are already people who have labelled me as a "TERF" and I'm really not sure what I will do if I am challenged directly. I can't be sacked as I am freelance but I can lose work and face attack and exposure in my field of work. Getting to the point that I don't give AF.
I havent (yet) been in this situation but as I work with universities I assume it is a matter of time. I dont deal well with confrontation so am dreading it tbh
 
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It’s so sad what’s happening to this young person. I cant see how it is going to end well 🥲
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Looking at Elliot Page, all I can really think is that she is a missing Beckham child, she's the absolute spit of one of them - afraid I don't know the actual name of whice one.
 
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Its not just you. There is clearly also extensive scarring.

She still looks female too.
It’s really worrying that someone with the money and resources that she has can’t even get the surgery done right. It looks botched, and yet she will inevitably become the poster ‘boy’ for tifs everywhere instead of people being concerned for her mental health. It’s so fucked up.
 
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It’s really worrying that someone with the money and resources that she has can’t even get the surgery done right. It looks botched, and yet she will inevitably become the poster ‘boy’ for tifs everywhere instead of people being concerned for her mental health. It’s so fucked up.
Having watched too many episodes of Botched I dread to think about people getting discount surgery for something like this and having horrible complications
 
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I think Elliott is a very lost person and has been surrounded by people who have influenced them to come to a conclusion that’s probably driven by how frustrated they felt as a gay woman living in man’s world.

I have often myself considered it - even just for a moment - how much easier it would be to go about my day as a male, not having to worry “Will I get harassed today?” “Will they take me seriously at the job interview (I’m wanting to enter a very male dominated industry after graduating uni as I’ve always wanted to do the subject I’m studying) as I’m a woman?” “Will they see me as a person and not just a piece of meat?”

Add on top of that the struggles they have faced with accepting their sexuality I think Elliott is really suffering :cry:
 
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I think Elliott is a very lost person and has been surrounded by people who have influenced them to come to a conclusion that’s probably driven by how frustrated they felt as a gay woman living in man’s world.

I have often myself considered it - even just for a moment - how much easier it would be to go about my day as a male, not having to worry “Will I get harassed today?” “Will they take me seriously at the job interview (I’m wanting to enter a very male dominated industry after graduating uni as I’ve always wanted to do the subject I’m studying) as I’m a woman?” “Will they see me as a person and not just a piece of meat?”

Add on top of that the struggles they have faced with accepting their sexuality I think Elliott is really suffering :cry:
I wonder what will happen when they start to take on male roles, will there be an outcry from men who have lost parts? based onwhat has happened in sports it will be interesting to see
 
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I wonder what will happen when they start to take on male roles, will there be an outcry from men who have lost parts? based onwhat has happened in sports it will be interesting to see
Surely, following the logic that many activists apply, the only roles she'll be eligible for are trans-male roles ? So she's either killed her career stone dead, or there'll be an exceptional increase in the number of films with trans male characters.

Edit: Or, it could turn out that trans actors are super-special and allowed to play whatever sex they want with no recriminations or demands made via Twitter whatsoever.
 
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