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Yeah, that is just going to cause dysfunction amongst families. Kids don’t understand the concept of most things never mind sex and gender.
And how many kids have said at one time or another "I wish I was a girl" (or vice versa) so they could play a particular game and then the next day they've forgotten about it and are quite happy as long as they can play football or whatever.

Kids have loads of silly whims. My daughter wanted to be a cat!
 
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My youngest is 2 and has just hit the ‘I’m a girl, you’re a girl, daddy is a boy’ phase. She can say with 100% accuracy if someone is male or female without having to see anyone’s genitals. She’s two. You have people who GENUINELY say tit like, ‘You can’t always tell! It’s not always obvious! Don’t say ‘ladies and gentlemen as you don’t KNOW!’ We do know. A toddler knows. Give over.
 
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What I don't understand about the schools stance on trans gender children, is why is it so different to other parenting choices.

If your child has an eating disorder, or is overweight, or has ASD, depression, wants to be a vegan, whatever, it's largely up to the parents to decide how best to deal with it, the authorities would only step in if the parents were causing harm.

But with a gender confused child, you are only allowed to support transition, no other strategy is allowed to be taken.
 
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That is bloody child abuse and absolutely disgusting 😤
There's no way a child of 4 can make such as decision and to take away the rights of the parents to intervene is outrageous.

I truly hope that this is a nail in the coffin for the awful SNP and that horrible dictator they have in charge 😡
Sadly I suspect she will let the Greens take the lead on it (assuming the Scottish Greens vote for the cooperation agreement tomorrow) and then when it inevitably goes horribly wrong at some point in the future, she'll point the finger at them and it'll slide off her like she's Teflon-coated, as usual.

 
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Oooh new dedicated Rose of Dawn video!
I don’t agree with all her viewpoints however I do enjoy her “transtupid” videos and GC commentary on TRAs.

(She is the example of a trans person I accept has socially and to an extent physically changed gendered and has made a meaningful transition. Happy for her to be socially seen as female and use female pronouns )

What I don't understand about the schools stance on trans gender children, is why is it so different to other parenting choices.

If your child has an eating disorder, or is overweight, or has ASD, depression, wants to be a vegan, whatever, it's largely up to the parents to decide how best to deal with it, the authorities would only step in if the parents were causing harm.

But with a gender confused child, you are only allowed to support transition, no other strategy is allowed to be taken.
my friend and I were talking about this at the weekend. If a child or even adult is anorexic and truly believes they are grossly fat we don’t give them a gastric band to validate their identity!!
 
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Oooh new dedicated Rose of Dawn video!
I don’t agree with all her viewpoints however I do enjoy her “transtupid” videos and GC commentary on TRAs.

(She is the example of a trans person I accept has socially and to an extent physically changed gendered and has made a meaningful transition. Happy for her to be socially seen as female and use female pronouns )



my friend and I were talking about this at the weekend. If a child or even adult is anorexic and truly believes they are grossly fat we don’t give them a gastric band to validate their identity!!
Imagine if a child was over weight. The parents put said child on a healthy eating plan, but the school came back and said they are not allowed to do that, it's fatist and not allowing the child to be their true self. The school and social services then said the child must be allowed to eat however much they want regardless of the effect it will have on their health or mental well-being, otherwise the parents are not validating the child's true self.

This is what happening with trans. Parents are being forced to let children damage their bodies in the name of being ones true self. If transing was harmless, then I'd say so what, but this isn't like being an emo kid, they're sterilising themselves.
 
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my friend and I were talking about this at the weekend. If a child or even adult is anorexic and truly believes they are grossly fat we don’t give them a gastric band to validate their identity!!
Yeah this is something that first made me think about the trans thing, it's the only form of dysphoria we treat with affirmation and surgery. I don't know whether it is or isn't the right thing in many cases for adults, I think the jury is still out on that one, and isn't helped by the silencing of detransitioners. But it definitely shouldn't be encouraged for children to be affirmed without question at the age of four or take puberty blockers that much is for sure.
 
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I don’t know if this really fits here but with the whole only fans thing and everyone on social media saying how sex work empowers women, I thought I would share this here.
edit: Also TW for this video!
The woman talking about the industry on the right Lana Rhoades is a person I’ve been told I look like. On my last day at uni before covid I got off the bus and a man ran off the bus behind me, I noticed him looking at me on the bus but I had earbuds in and when I got off I didn’t hear anything. I realised people were staring behind me. I turned around and took out an earbud. The man who was in this thirties said to me ‘has anyone ever told you that you look like Lana Rhoades?’ I said no and that I’ve never heard of her. He sheepishly laughed and I walked away because I needed to get to my lesson. Once I was there I googled her name and left the classroom to cry in the bathroom because I was so shocked that a man ten years older than me so brazenly told me I look like a pornstar. I couldn’t believe it.
 
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Going back to the Glinner chat, they were discussing the new Cleese cancel culture show that's been billed and Helen and Arty were saying Graham should really be on it. And he said 'yes, but there's cancelled and then there's really cancelled.' And he's right. So many people claim that cancel culture isn't really a thing because some cancelled people just end up making more money or getting loads of TV spots. Piers Morgan type people, or Laurence Fox. But Glinner hasn't had that at all.

I also really dislike seeing how a lot of the TRA's go for his looks or his divorce from his wife. They'll say things 'he's so mental his wife has left him' but from what I understand, the TRAs targeted his wife and she felt she couldn't keep on with it.
 
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What I don't understand about the schools stance on trans gender children, is why is it so different to other parenting choices.

If your child has an eating disorder, or is overweight, or has ASD, depression, wants to be a vegan, whatever, it's largely up to the parents to decide how best to deal with it, the authorities would only step in if the parents were causing harm.

But with a gender confused child, you are only allowed to support transition, no other strategy is allowed to be taken.
So true! It makes no sense.
 
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I think if my child was gender confused, I would take them out of school. I've got no problem with affirmation, but the only medical help they should be getting is counselling. I'd be terrified the school would send them down a medical pathway.

My 11 year old step son was told at school that some people are the transgender which means they are trapped in the wrong body and need to be given medical help to make them the right gender.
 
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Thanks to lurking on this thread I ended up buying Helen Joyce's book on kindle and accidentally staying up till the wee hours reading it. Now I'm knackered and enlightened and it's all your fault!
 
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I think if my child was gender confused, I would take them out of school. I've got no problem with affirmation, but the only medical help they should be getting is counselling. I'd be terrified the school would send them down a medical pathway.

My 11 year old step son was told at school that some people are the transgender which means they are trapped in the wrong body and need to be given medical help to make them the right gender.
It's so sad that adults are telling kids they are in the "wrong body". It's just evil in my view. Setting them up for a lifetime of surgery and disappointment. ☹

Thanks to lurking on this thread I ended up buying Helen Joyce's book on kindle and accidentally staying up till the wee hours reading it. Now I'm knackered and enlightened and it's all your fault!
It's a page turner, isn't it.
 
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Born in the wrong body is just such a wrong message, not just to trans children but across the board. How must it make disabled people feel, or children that don't feel their looks match up to beauty standards. You are your body you can't be born in the wrong one, you need to accept what you are.

The way the school explained trans'ing to my step son was so weird and confusing. No wonder so many children are getting confused about their gender. It was explained that these people are special and have some sort of power to change their sex that others don't have, but also needed Dr help, equating it in the same way to someone that needs medical help for a injury or illness or something.
 
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I work in a primary school, my daughter just turned 7 and I am SERIOUSLY thinking of home schooling secondary education. I have thought about it a lot.
 
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Does anyone think there is substance to the theory that gender dysphoria has been changed from a mental illness to something requiring expensive lifetime medication and ever increasing surgical intervention at the behest of Big Pharma and unscrupulous medical practitioners? Something has driven this change.
 
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Born in the wrong body is just such a wrong message, not just to trans children but across the board. How must it make disabled people feel, or children that don't feel their looks match up to beauty standards. You are your body you can't be born in the wrong one, you need to accept what you are.

The way the school explained trans'ing to my step son was so weird and confusing. No wonder so many children are getting confused about their gender. It was explained that these people are special and have some sort of power to change their sex that others don't have, but also needed Dr help, equating it in the same way to someone that needs medical help for a injury or illness or something.
Yes, I also pick up recently that there is increasing suggestion that people who know their biology and "identify" with their actual sex are some how wrong... No wonder so many kids are "coming out" as non binary to escape the "cis het" label (🤢 hate that term). So many people want to be seen as "stunning and brave" it seems like being "cis" (🤢) is somehow bigotry... That's what it seems like online, anyway. I can imgine at school there's a lot of pressure to be seen as "special" or "better". It just breeds insecurity.

Even some straight married people are desperate to be seen as under the umbrella so that they can't be seen as exclusionary... Boggles my brain.

Does anyone think there is substance to the theory that gender dysphoria has been changed from a mental illness to something requiring expensive lifetime medication and ever increasing surgical intervention at the behest of Big Pharma and unscrupulous medical practitioners? Something has driven this change.
Absolutely.
 
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