F1 Chatter #4

[Blablabla29]

Sorry but is anyone, Max fans and the FIA aside, stupid enough to believe Red Bull actually overspent … on catering for staff? We all know that the extra money went on the car. Money not spent on food, sick pay etc is all money that the team will have used. The way journalists are trying to spin it (mainly that Dutch guy) as if that’s where the extra money were spent is shocking

I also don't buy it. I mean every team have to deal with sick leaves why would there be more at red bull than in any other team? And for the food, this is a joke, if you know you will overspend just buy less expensive food

 

[e456]

yep... budget management 101. or why you should get a good accountant

It’s cheating, actually. That’s half of Alfa Romeos entire development budget for the year. Pathetic team, as always. Christian is a lying sneak and he always has been

 

[OOps2022]

I'm guessing we're gonna end up with the (I) option

I am predicting the same option as well, because "it is a learning stage, everyone needs to get used to it"

I want equal budgets and the competition all being only based on pure engineering and organisational skills

 

[lozzzzzzy]

remember when Christian threatened to sue for defamation lol

 

[horseyalbon]

Yes you are right for Aston i edited my post just after because i apparently can't read things right . Even if i still don't really understand what kind of procedurial thing it can be. I mean Williams had submitted their report past the deadline in May i think, so why are they not mentionned here? And i agree with you minor or not they gained an advantage from it. But i think the FIA won't do anything if i'm honnest.

Williams paid a €25.000 fine though. I don’t know how that incident is separate so it must be a different procedural breach.

As for penalties, Red Bull and the FIA can agree to an accepted breach agreement which is basically more money for the FIA. So yeah, great repercussions. The only real way Red Bull is gonna get a penalty, which is probably gonna be the public reprimand because it’s Red Bull, is if they don’t agree to that agreement.

 

[OOps2022]

this article has an interesting and short summary about how cost cap affected Merc cause they revealed the data. I think the staff cuts speak the most, even though the team as such earns money.

2021 Mercedes financial numbers reflect "painful" F1 cost cap

www.autosport.com

 

[horseyalbon]

remember when Christian threatened to sue for defamation lol

Is he gonna sue himself then? Or the CFO he doesn’t speak to?

 

[e456]

Sick pay isn’t even included in the budget cap so how are they saying that’s one of the areas they were over?

 

[StephenTJackson]

Just to give us all something light and cheerful to think about instead of Red Bull cheating and the FIA covering it up etc.

Twitter thread of Pato O'Ward as otters and being otterly adorable.

 

[OOps2022]

Just to give us all something light and cheerful to think about instead of Red Bull cheating and the FIA covering it up etc.

Twitter thread of Pato O'Ward as otters and being otterly adorable.

omg, it's adorable!!!
I kind of needed that

 

[horseyalbon]

Sick pay isn’t even included in the budget cap so how are they saying that’s one of the areas they were over?

Because they’re twisting this now the way they want it to to not admit they’ve cheated in a championship that technically wasn’t theirs to win in the first place. This sport makes me sick.

I‘d have more respect for them if they just admitted to it and apologized.

 

[kubnikol]

Just to give us all something light and cheerful to think about instead of Red Bull cheating and the FIA covering it up etc.

Twitter thread of Pato O'Ward as otters and being otterly adorable.

Stop this is so cute

 

[e456]

Because they’re twisting this now the way they want it to to not admit they’ve cheated in a championship that technically wasn’t theirs to win in the first place. This sport makes me sick.

I‘d have more respect for them if they just admitted to it and apologized.

I’m raging tbh. People were made redundant because of this, in the middle of a pandemic. Completely shameless

 

[lozzzzzzy]

Because they’re twisting this now the way they want it to to not admit they’ve cheated in a championship that technically wasn’t theirs to win in the first place. This sport makes me sick.

I‘d have more respect for them if they just admitted to it and apologized.

so was it catering and sick pay or was it no overspending? gotta pick one

 

[horseyalbon]

I’m raging tbh. People were made redundant because of this, in the middle of a pandemic. Completely shameless

Sick pay is explicitly stated not to be paid from the budget cap.
And catering isn’t even in the budget cap either. Or else Williams would be done for - have you seen their hospitality what a load of bullshit

 

[Platformcrocs]

Cost cap aside. Euro Shorts™ are back

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

I'm guessing we're gonna end up with the (I) option

Yup... I'm going to get very mad all over again.

 

[e456]

I think it upsets me because I know so many people that lost their jobs during covid, and how much it affected them. At least 50 employees from basically every team were made redundant, purely because of the cost cap. $2 million could have paid at least some of those wages, if not all. It’s horrible actually and I don’t know why people are acting like it’s funny

 

[Pole er bear]

It’s cheating, actually. That’s half of Alfa Romeos entire development budget for the year. Pathetic team, as always. Christian is a lying sneak and he always has been

i mean yes its cheating...

I think it upsets me because I know so many people that lost their jobs during covid, and how much it affected them. At least 50 employees from basically every team were made redundant, purely because of the cost cap. $2 million could have paid at least some of those wages, if not all. It’s horrible actually and I don’t know why people are acting like it’s funny

For me,i dont think its funny at all. Especially the reality about people having to lose their jobs to make the cap. Unfortunately its how big business does things all the time. In the US at least its taxes, an while its not necessarily illegal, Its morally and ethically wrong. Im not surprised frankly, and not trying to dismiss it. As someone said on another post what's the point in having cost caps if they arent respected by all.... although like everything else in F1 they will push all limits and rules until they cant. hopefully this will tighten things up and I agree it should be punished. But I dont think it will be a drop in the bucket to red bull going forward. Cost Cap is one thing, but it doesn't explain their complete dominance either.

 

[e456]

For me,i dont think its funny at all. Especially the reality about people having to lose their jobs to make the cap. Unfortunately its how big business does things all the time. In the US at least its taxes, an while its not necessarily illegal, Its morally and ethically wrong. Im not surprised frankly, and not trying to dismiss it. As someone said on another post what's the point in having cost caps if they arent respected by all.... although like everything else in F1 they will push all limits and rules until they cant. hopefully this will tighten things up and I agree it should be punished. But I dont think it will be a drop in the bucket to red bull going forward. Cost Cap is one thing, but it doesn't explain their complete dominance either.

Im not of the opinion that that’s why they’ve been miles ahead of everyone this year. To me that’s mainly down to Adrian Newey being the only guy in the paddock with experience in ground effect. Do i believe it gave them an extra upgrade or two last year? Yes, I do. Does that anger me? Absolutely