English channel migrant crossing crisis #6

[thegirlscout]

is that homosexuality is in no way persecuted under Islamic law

I’m haunted by the story my friend told - a former Muslim who escaped from Iran. Her brother was gay so they took him to the tallest building in their town, made his family watch and then pushed him off whilst he was blindfolded. The force of the fall cracked his skull open and his brains spilled out onto the ground. The police then forced the man’s mother to clean up the mess with her bare hands.
My friend eventually fled Iran and came to the UK. She integrated well and has been able to celebrate her Iranian culture (before the revolution) whilst also being a British citizen. She had a a portrait of the Queen in her house! When someone from work found out she was a former Muslim, he threatened her and so did the men from a local Mosque. She’s had to move because the police did nothing. One said it was ‘culturally sensitive’. She thinks we are absolutely nuts for allowing in men who have such strong hatred of the West into our country. And she’s not the only one. Through her I’ve met a lot of Iranians who have had to flee and they all think we are walking blindly to our own slaughter.

 

[amp63]

It's getting out of hand now. When are they going to say enough is enough. I get they're coming from war torn, third world countries. But it's mostly men coming over first and leaving their wives and children behind. The UK is slowly becoming

I’m haunted by the story my friend told - a former Muslim who escaped from Iran. Her brother was gay so they took him to the tallest building in their town, made his family watch and then pushed him off whilst he was blindfolded. The force of the fall cracked his skull open and his brains spilled out onto the ground. The police then forced the man’s mother to clean up the mess with her bare hands.
My friend eventually fled Iran and came to the UK. She integrated well and has been able to celebrate her Iranian culture (before the revolution) whilst also being a British citizen. She had a a portrait of the Queen in her house! When someone from work found out she was a former Muslim, he threatened her and so did the men from a local Mosque. She’s had to move because the police did nothing. One said it was ‘culturally sensitive’. She thinks we are absolutely nuts for allowing in men who have such strong hatred of the West into our country. And she’s not the only one. Through her I’ve met a lot of Iranians who have had to flee and they all think we are walking blindly to our own slaughter.

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BIB I completely agree with this sentiment. I will never get over why it is mostly men coming over in boats and being granted asylum and refugee status, while their wives and children are left in countries not very accepting of females. Shows their mentality against women. Then when you look the level of crime and Sexual Abuse cases happening by these people is increasing, it proves they really dont give a tit about our country or our laws. You cannot say boo now and you're being classed as a racist.
I fully believe a religious war is coming and I believe anyone that doesn't go along with certain ideologies will be mass executed.

 

[thegirlscout]

I fully believe a religious war is coming and I believe anyone that doesn't go along with certain ideologies will be mass executed.

I doubt there will be a war, I think one side will just let it happen through apathy or suicidal empathy. This country is going to the pits - our waterways are poisoned, state pension age is going to increase to 68, people are using food banks, living in mouldy houses, etc and everyday people seem so disenfranchised that they aren’t rebelling. The only big protest is one that happens weekly about a conflict many miles away which doesn’t effect the average Joe here. We should demand more of our leaders, we should protest, but the UK national identity doesn’t seem able to do so, unlike the French for example.

 

[rosebud07]

I’m haunted by the story my friend told - a former Muslim who escaped from Iran. Her brother was gay so they took him to the tallest building in their town, made his family watch and then pushed him off whilst he was blindfolded. The force of the fall cracked his skull open and his brains spilled out onto the ground. The police then forced the man’s mother to clean up the mess with her bare hands.
My friend eventually fled Iran and came to the UK. She integrated well and has been able to celebrate her Iranian culture (before the revolution) whilst also being a British citizen. She had a a portrait of the Queen in her house! When someone from work found out she was a former Muslim, he threatened her and so did the men from a local Mosque. She’s had to move because the police did nothing. One said it was ‘culturally sensitive’. She thinks we are absolutely nuts for allowing in men who have such strong hatred of the West into our country. And she’s not the only one. Through her I’ve met a lot of Iranians who have had to flee and they all think we are walking blindly to our own slaughter.

absolutely shocking. the behaviour of the european cops of course. I have also some Iranian friends and no stories on their regime will shock me now.

 

[monga]

We’re all in the wrong business…Sick and disabled being turned upside down to try access benefits whilst these scum live it up

Bulgarian police alerted British authorities to biggest ever benefits…

archived 29 May 2024 15:07:38 UTC

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[Piff paff puff]

We’re all in the wrong business…Sick and disabled being turned upside down to try access benefits whilst these scum live it up

Bulgarian police alerted British authorities to biggest ever benefits…

archived 29 May 2024 15:07:38 UTC

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No wonder there's duck all money here. How on earth could the state with state of the art tech and specialist teams not know this was happening?? It took an investigation over there!
I'm numerically illiterate and I could do a better job. This gov has definitely done us over. They are soooooo clueless.

 

[monga]

No wonder there's duck all money here. How on earth could the state with state of the art tech and specialist teams not know this was happening?? It took an investigation over there!
I'm numerically illiterate and I could do a better job. This gov has definitely done us over. They are soooooo clueless.

How could DWP miss no HMRC contributions / NI on their employment claims?? Surely insiders must’ve been helping?

 

[Piff paff puff]

How could DWP miss no HMRC contributions / NI on their employment claims?? Surely insiders must’ve been helping?

There's been so many civil servants involved in illegal stuff and refusing to do the job they're employed to do that I'd definitely believe that. The ones that hate the gov (we all do) but hate the UK and all of the normal struggling British people, they would love to give all of our money away to ANYONE. Doubt the state will investigate though.

 

[monga]

There's been so many civil servants involved in illegal stuff and refusing to do the job they're employed to do that I'd definitely believe that. The ones that hate the gov (we all do) but hate the UK and all of the normal struggling British people, they would love to give all of our money away to ANYONE. Doubt the state will investigate though.

It seems bizarre that there were no inside help given the scale of the fraud .

 

[amp63]

How could DWP miss no HMRC contributions / NI on their employment claims?? Surely insiders must’ve been helping?

HMRC and DWP are 2 separate departments that don't have full access to each other's systems and they don't converse with each other. So I can totally see how this has happened. Can't say too much to get myself into trouble. But 9 times out of 10 in certain departments, fraudulent claims aren't picked up unless the claimant trips themselves up, or someone else reports them. The civil service now is not what it was 10 years ago. It's a shitshow now. I wish I could tell youse how awful it is!

 

[monga]

HMRC and DWP are 2 separate departments that don't have full access to each other's systems and they don't converse with each other. So I can totally see how this has happened. Can't say too much to get myself into trouble. But 9 times out of 10 in certain departments, fraudulent claims aren't picked up unless the claimant trips themselves up, or someone else reports them. The civil service now is not what it was 10 years ago. It's a shitshow now. I wish I could tell youse how awful it is!

Nope their systems are linked .I know of two people that were done for benefit fraud through irregularities in their tax contributions.

 

[amp63]

Nope their systems are linked .I know of two people that were done for benefit fraud through irregularities in their tax contributions.

Yes if someone diddles their finances it will show up as irregularities, TAX, VAT and PAYE have a lot more stringent measures in place. But for universal credit. Working/child tax credit and child benefit, ESA etc. It's a free for all and lots of things do slip through the net and it's a lot easier to yet away with benefit fraud in them departments. It seems like that was the type of fraud that was going on.

In rare cases, irregularities do flag up and that's how people get caught. However most of the time things do go undetected. But an HMRC worker doesn't have access to UC systems and vice versa.

For example - a council tenant has a partner that everyone knows about. But claims single parent benefits. Gets council reduction in England and Wales for being a single low income parent. Every granny and it's dog knows this person lives with their partner. Hmrc/dwp send a letter asking for tenancy agreement which partner isn't on, they ask for gas, electric bills which partner won't be on. Copy of council tax statement which partner isn't on and check electoral register which partner won't be on either. They get the documents in, have a look at the names on the documents. See there's no trace of a partner and they go not a problem you're clearly single, you can keep your benefits. That's the 'checks' they do.

As I say, yes some things do flag up on systems and if there rumblings in other departments or if claimants make too mamy changes to their claims within a certain length of time then it will come up for a check and fraud will be detected and they're caught.
But if it's a straightforward here's my application, here's my documents, here's my bank details. And the claimant doesn't contact any of the benefits for any changes or anything then it's easy to sit back and watch the money roll in.

 

[monga]

Yes if someone diddles their finances it will show up as irregularities, TAX, VAT and PAYE have a lot more stringent measures in place. But for universal credit. Working/child tax credit and child benefit, ESA etc. It's a free for all and lots of things do slip through the net and it's a lot easier to yet away with benefit fraud in them departments. It seems like that was the type of fraud that was going on.

In rare cases, irregularities do flag up and that's how people get caught. However most of the time things do go undetected. But an HMRC worker doesn't have access to UC systems and vice versa.

For example - a council tenant has a partner that everyone knows about. But claims single parent benefits. Gets council reduction in England and Wales for being a single low income parent. Every granny and it's dog knows this person lives with their partner. Hmrc/dwp send a letter asking for tenancy agreement which partner isn't on, they ask for gas, electric bills which partner won't be on. Copy of council tax statement which partner isn't on and check electoral register which partner won't be on either. They get the documents in, have a look at the names on the documents. See there's no trace of a partner and they go not a problem you're clearly single, you can keep your benefits. That's the 'checks' they do.

As I say, yes some things do flag up on systems and if there rumblings in other departments or if claimants make too mamy changes to their claims within a certain length of time then it will come up for a check and fraud will be detected and they're caught.
But if it's a straightforward here's my application, here's my documents, here's my bank details. And the claimant doesn't contact any of the benefits for any changes or anything then it's easy to sit back and watch the money roll in.

But is there no checks on foreign nationals right to claim benefits? They weren’t British citizens so there’s certain documents they forged including employment history, wouldn’t that be checked with their claims? It stated there were claims being made through genuine credentials but the people never entered UK . I thought non nationals couldn’t even claim benefits unless they filled certain criteria?

 

[bubbadabut]

Nobody cares about fraud anymore. I work in this sphere and it's nothing like it was 20 years ago. Most local authority fraud teams have been disbanded and the staff made redundant or redeployed. I used to be super proactive when it came to making referrals because we worked closely with the fraud officers - they would update you with the case's progress, and it was rewarding when your suspicions were right. We could make referrals directly to the fraud network and monitor the cases. We got to go on visits with the fraud officers. Nowadays, if you can even be bothered to refer, you have to fill in a massive form, email it to some "no reply" email service, and that's it. You never find out what happens, or if its even been investigated at all.

 

[amp63]

But is there no checks on foreign nationals right to claim benefits? They weren’t British citizens so there’s certain documents they forged including employment history, wouldn’t that be checked with their claims?

(For HMRC) Before brexit no. They had to at least be in the country 3 months to claim.
Since August 2021, there was and still is checks that are done on their visa etc for new claims. For claims made before August 2021 there was no checks on them to make sure they were still eligible to keep their hmrc benefits. The only time it came up for a check is if they tried to add a new baby onto the claim. They would then go through a 26 week process to see if they still had the right visa. Theyd still receive the money for the rest of their claim while the check took place.

ETA, as long as they could give a tenancy agreement, a letter from an employer (could be a zero hour contact) which is why no monies been paid but shows they're employed. And a child's birth certificate. A letter from a school saying the child attends. That's all they really needed pre brexit. Most of those could be forged.

 

[monga]

(For HMRC) Before brexit no. They had to at least be in the country 3 months to claim.
Since August 2021, there was and still is checks that are done on their visa etc for new claims. For claims made before August 2021 there was no checks on them to make sure they were still eligible to keep their hmrc benefits. The only time it came up for a check is if they tried to add a new baby onto the claim. They would then go through a 26 week process to see if they still had the right visa. Theyd still receive the money for the rest of their claim while the check took place.

ETA, as long as they could give a tenancy agreement, a letter from an employer (could be a zero hour contact) which is why no monies been paid but shows they're employed. And a child's birth certificate. A letter from a school saying the child attends. That's all they really needed pre brexit. Most of those could be forged.

Must be really lax in England even trying to open a bank account in NI is a nightmare there’s so many documents and checks they do you’d get into Fort Knox quicker.

 

[amp63]

Haha I agree! Tried to open a danske account when I had a baby and I thought they were going to ask me for blood.

Lots of them use monzo and revolut to get paid into. For them banks you only need a photo of your passport and a video of you saying a sentence and the bank account is open within an hour. Otherwise they'll say they're using a friends account and hmrc will pay into that account and where the money goes after that they don't care. You can't get paid into some nationwide or HSBC accounts along with a few others anymore. I think they were being used for fraudulent claims for a while and they shut that down to try and deter them. But there's always ways and means round it.

 

[monga]

Least they’re not backtracking on all the conservative policies, definitely should be investing in homegrown staff.

Labour has ‘no plans’ to allow health worker visas to include family members | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian

Rules were changed this year in effort to cut immigration, but experts warn bar on dependents will have significant impact on health service

amp.theguardian.com

 

[NeverEnough]

Least they’re not backtracking on all the conservative policies, definitely should be investing in homegrown staff.

Labour has ‘no plans’ to allow health worker visas to include family members | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian

Rules were changed this year in effort to cut immigration, but experts warn bar on dependents will have significant impact on health service

amp.theguardian.com

“Has no plans”. That most flexible of politicians phrases.

“Plans” will change…..

 

[IngressUK]

But is there no checks on foreign nationals right to claim benefits? They weren’t British citizens so there’s certain documents they forged including employment history, wouldn’t that be checked with their claims? It stated there were claims being made through genuine credentials but the people never entered UK . I thought non nationals couldn’t even claim benefits unless they filled certain criteria?

The way I see it is if you are British you have to jump through numerous eligibility hoops to claim a pittance.

Arrive here illegally and you handed many times what someone on JSA or disability benefits is entitled to, without jumping through the many eligibility hoops to get money and benefits.

The whole system is utterly f**ked and costing each and every one of us a fortune in taxation to support. It was never designed to provide handouts for every supppsedly destitute 'hard luck case' that rocked up on UK shores, or the feckless workshy wasters who expect something for nothing, from the rest of the EU and elsewhere in the world.

British benefits should only be for British people, and those granted the right to be in the UK, provided they have adequately contributed to the pot.