Ireland is also seeing a large influx of asylum seekers , they didn’t colonise anyone, there has to be a limit to how many people each country can accept without impacting their own citizens housing, healthcare and education…The countries above have clamped down on asylum partly the reason why people are targeting UK as their acceptance rate is higher.
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I mean sure, we didn't colonise anyone, cheers for pointing that out. There's a number of reasons for an influx of asylum seekers here in Ireland (i.e. English speaking country, EU member state etc). You've probably seen some headlines from Ireland that would give a notion that there are also strong anti-immigrate feelings here but tbh, that's the media and our own idiotic politicians muddying the waters.
If you're curious, the general consensus over here is:
EU Migration: Yay
Outside of EU with skills and from culturally compatible countries: Yay
Refugees from Ukraine: Yay
People who flush their passports on the plane on their way here: Nay
And look, I've got no doubts that some people reading my posts may think I'm all about opening borders wide up and letting everyone in. Absolutely not. I mean look at the last item on my list.. we're allowing immigrants to enter at Dublin airport with NO passports. That's absolutely ridiculous and tbh, I can't think of any other European country that would let that happen. What I'm trying to get at is something as simplistic as "kick everyone out" is just as bad as the Irish government letting people enter the country with no passports. Oversimplification of any matter as complex as immigration doesn't solve anything IMO.
The colonial power in Vietnam was France.
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Has there ever been a socialist republic which didn’t have human rights abuses?
That’s not exactly true when there’s secondary migration ,they see Ireland as backwards and an easy touch , people coming from UK demanding houses, education and benefits, I’d bulldoze that shithole outside the IPO if I owned one of those properties adjacent to it…You can’t claim asylum for economic reasons.
More than 80% of asylum applicants now coming from UK over NI Border,…
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You all love asking me questions in your replies
Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting point. But to further the discussion, has there ever been a country under any political system that didn't have human rights abuses?
If you own one of the properties on Mount Street, you're most likely a millionaire landlord (who isn't based in Ireland) leasing out your building to multinational tax-evading tech firms who heavily rely on immigrant labour. Your priorities wouldn't be curbing immigration, I'll tell you that much. In fact, if you were said landlord/consortium, you'd be delighted that the Irish media is creating so much outrage around illegal migrants, tents etc because it keeps the population distracted from the real issues. The real issues like housing crisis caused by multinational consortiums buying all our land, tax-evading multinational firms etc, etc. Notice a pattern here?
I’ve already pointed that out earlier in the thread, legal migration is worse , thing I don’t understand is why they grant citizenship to these firms employeesYou all love asking me questions in your replies
Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting point. But to further the discussion, has there ever been a country under any political system that didn't have human rights abuses?
If you own one of the properties on Mount Street, you're most likely a millionaire landlord (who isn't based in Ireland) leasing out your building to multinational tax-evading tech firms who heavily rely on immigrant labour. Your priorities wouldn't be curbing immigration, I'll tell you that much. In fact, if you were said landlord/consortium, you'd be delighted that the Irish media is creating so much outrage around illegal migrants, tents etc because it keeps the population distracted from the real issues. The real issues like housing crisis caused by multinational consortiums buying all our land, tax-evading multinational firms etc, etc. Notice a pattern here?
you’d never get that in the UAE .Well using your own logic to it’s ultimate conclusion, if there is no country that didn’t ever have human rights abuses then asylum is irrelevant because there is nowhere that would ever be truly safe.You all love asking me questions in your replies
Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting point. But to further the discussion, has there ever been a country under any political system that didn't have human rights abuses?
If you own one of the properties on Mount Street, you're most likely a millionaire landlord (who isn't based in Ireland) leasing out your building to multinational tax-evading tech firms who heavily rely on immigrant labour. Your priorities wouldn't be curbing immigration, I'll tell you that much. In fact, if you were said landlord/consortium, you'd be delighted that the Irish media is creating so much outrage around illegal migrants, tents etc because it keeps the population distracted from the real issues. The real issues like housing crisis caused by multinational consortiums buying all our land, tax-evading multinational firms etc, etc. Notice a pattern here?
Interesting stats here.
The top countries are European capitalistic countries, a couple of old empire colonies in there as well. The bottom ones are theocratic states, or socialist republics a la Venezuela. (Do YOU notice a pattern here?).
And to go back to your assertion that irregular migration is somehow linked to colonialism (a process which had more of less concluded by 1918 over 100 years ago). It’s a lazy far left trope but I’ll humour it. Here’s a list of asylum nationalities.
UK asylum applications by nationality 2023 | Statista
Approximately 13,714 Albanian nationals applied for asylum in the United Kingdom in 2022/23, the most of any nationality.
www.statista.com
Not aware of any colonial past with Albania. Indeed Albania spent the best part of the period from about 1945 to about 1997 tightly locked down by the communist authorities as a mini North Korea.
No one has ever truly colonised Afghanistan either. That’s why it’s called The Graveyard of Empires. Iran, in it’s previous guise of Persia, has done it’s fair share of it’s own colonisation over the centuries. In fact doesn’t it still fancy itself as a bit of a power player through it’s proxies?
In fact looking at the top asylum nationalities and the bottom freedom index countries it’s painfully obvious what the dominant, shall we say “philosophical belief system“, is. It’s getting awfully crowded in here with that great big bleeping elephant your pretending not to see.
I’m not ignoring the 'big elephant' in the room. It’s just that I perceive it differently than you do, and within a different context. If I was completely ignoring it, than I wouldn't be commenting in the first place? But I digress.Well using your own logic to it’s ultimate conclusion, if there is no country that didn’t ever have human rights abuses then asylum is irrelevant because there is nowhere that would ever be truly safe.
Interesting stats here.
The top countries are European capitalistic countries, a couple of old empire colonies in there as well. The bottom ones are theocratic states, or socialist republics a la Venezuela. (Do YOU notice a pattern here?).
And to go back to your assertion that irregular migration is somehow linked to colonialism (a process which had more of less concluded by 1918 over 100 years ago). It’s a lazy far left trope but I’ll humour it. Here’s a list of asylum nationalities.
UK asylum applications by nationality 2023 | Statista
Approximately 13,714 Albanian nationals applied for asylum in the United Kingdom in 2022/23, the most of any nationality.
Not aware of any colonial past with Albania. Indeed Albania spent the best part of the period from about 1945 to about 1997 tightly locked down by the communist authorities as a mini North Korea.
No one has ever truly colonised Afghanistan either. That’s why it’s called The Graveyard of Empires. Iran, in it’s previous guise of Persia, has done it’s fair share of it’s own colonisation over the centuries. In fact doesn’t it still fancy itself as a bit of a power player through it’s proxies?
In fact looking at the top asylum nationalities and the bottom freedom index countries it’s painfully obvious what the dominant, shall we say “philosophical belief system“, is. It’s getting awfully crowded in here with that great big bleeping elephant your pretending not to see.
First, let’s clarify a misinterpretation of my earlier point about human rights abuses. The observation that most countries have experienced some form of human rights issues does not imply that asylum is irrelevant. Rather, it underscores the reality that people seek asylum not because a country is perfect, but because it offers significantly greater safety and protection of rights than where they're coming from.
Regarding the Freedom Index, it’s true that patterns can be observed in different political systems. However, this doesn’t dismiss the unique contexts of each country, influenced by a variety of historical, cultural, and political factors, which also play critical roles in shaping governance and freedom levels.
On the topic of colonialism and migration, it’s an oversimplification to dismiss all modern migration as unlinked to historical impacts. While not all current migration directly stems from colonial ties, the historical context and its repercussions on global relations and economic conditions can influence migration patterns. For example, countries like Albania experienced extreme political and economic instability, which is a significant driver of migration. And I'm sorry, but dismissing the influence of past colonisations on contemporary issues as a 'lazy far-left trope' overlooks the complex legacies of history.
Also, I’m not sure what history curriculum you followed in school that suggested that colonialism 'more or less concluded by 1918.' I mean here in Ireland, 1918 is well-known as year of the botched British attempt to impose conscription on Irish citizens. Moreover, decolonisation across the British Empire actually much later: India and Pakistan gained independence in 1947, and many African nations followed from the late 1950s through the 1980s.
Of course they’re going to be kicking and screaming after wasting all that money to reach UK ..Legal routes won’t do away with illegal economic migration.
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How was she even granted two dozen court hearings beyond ridiculous.
www.independent.ie
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How was she even granted two dozen court hearings
beyond ridiculous.€1m legal bill after Pamela and girls finally deported
THE Government and five legal teams that represented failed asylum seeker Pamela Izevbekhai have been left with "staggering" legal bills totalling more than €1m that will never be repaid.
www.independent.ie
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He’d sell his granny for a fiver 
Actual Jesus Christ. What kind of a human being invents a whole dead daughter scenario, goes to the extent of forging documents to support the fiction, then doggedly sticks to a story she knows fine well is a lie for six whole years? Duping hundreds of “supporters“ in the process.Of course they’re going to be kicking and screaming after wasting all that money to reach UK ..Legal routes won’t do away with illegal economic migration.
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How was she even granted two dozen court hearings
€1m legal bill after Pamela and girls finally deported
THE Government and five legal teams that represented failed asylum seeker Pamela Izevbekhai have been left with "staggering" legal bills totalling more than €1m that will never be repaid.
Not a decent bone in that woman’s body. Feel sorry for the girls quite frankly. Don’t feel sorry for the lawyer with the unpaid bill. He chose to defend the indefensible. I guess he’s discovering that you can’t eat nice warm feelz.
With the greatest of respect I think you are mixing up the end of the colonial period, usually recognised as 1918 when the Astro-Hungarian, Ottoman, and German empires were dissolved, with the start of the de-colonisation period which took place in the following decades. It is a startling guide to the hypocrisy of the Far Left that by decolonisation they mean exclusively the break-up of the British Empire. The Ottomans, Turkey in the modern world, always seem to get a free pass. I wonder why? As the predominant imperial power in both the Middle East and the Balkans they as much as anyone were responsible for the clusterfucks that emerged in those areas in the post colonial period. Their legacy is playing out tragically in Gaza today, just as it played out tragically in what used to be Yugoslavia in the 1990s. And let’s not even begin to think about Armenia and Azerbaijan.
But anyway I digress. Your argument appears to be that history plays simultaneously both an important and unimportant part in the current push and pull factors for illegal immigration. I look at pictures of young men balancing precariously on over filled boats and I do wonder how many of these are historical scholars? But let’s play the game and assume that they have even the foggiest knowledge of history. In fact I’ll assume they are all talented polymaths because previous much missed contributors to the thread have suggested that they not only have intimate knowledge of history but also the medical knowledge to be plucked of the beach and put to work as paramedics. But anyway once again I digress.
So let’s look at the history of the number one country in the list, Albania, which you describe as “complex” but actually isn’t really. As I’m sure you are aware you can’t really consider history without knowledge of the geography and Albania had always been a mountainous marginally productive land. In Roman times it was partly included in the Kingdom of Epirus, homeland of King Pyrrhus, who gave us the phrase Pyrrhic Victory, ironic given the diversity at all costs policies that got us into this mess. Anyway, the Romans knew the people as Illyrians. And when they subdued them after one hell of a struggle they were much prized recruits into the legions, because even back then, largely because of the unforgiving nature of their land, they were known for viciousness and banditry, and a tribal system which persists to this day. So from here the history of the area is one of colonisation by Romans, Eastern Romans (Byzantines), and finally the Ottomans, before gaining independence in 1912 in a series of weak organisations which fell under the influence of Greek, Serbs and Facist Italy. After WW2 it was dominated by good old fashioned Stalinist Communist Enver Hoxha, who carried out the usual five year plan which destroyed the already marginal environment, produced a lot of low quality crap that no one wanted, and worked so well that he felt the need to completely isolate the country in a prototype North Korea. Ahh the miracles of Socialist central planning!
About the only common thing that can be said about the area is that from the point international records began, to the present day, it is regarded as one of, if not THE most, violent and poverty stricken country in Europe. When all this is taken into account I’m spectacularly not seeing the historical factors drawing them to the UK in such large numbers.
The scamming is off the scale from all nationalities , not a peep about this on Irish MSM but big news in India.
Dublin-based nurse accused of scamming 300 Indians out of thousands of euro in fake HSE jobs fraud
Sooraj Miraleedharan had been living a double life as a staff nurse in a Dublin hospital, while operating a highly profitable scam that has victimised hundreds of nurses.
www.thejournal.ie
Being a sex offender helps your case for asylum
…You couldn’t write it
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Apparently have the first set of deportees picked.
Concerned citizens and charity lawyers sharpening their pencils as we speak.....
It’s already taking effect
‘Rwanda effect impacting Ireland’, says Tánaiste as 80pc of asylum-seekers now coming from across Border
There is a “Rwanda effect” on international protection migrants coming to Ireland from the UK, Foreign Affairs Minister Micheál Martin has said.
m.independent.ie
Now I'm confused. I thought the prevailing wisdom was that the policy would have zero effect as a deterrent?It’s already taking effect
‘Rwanda effect impacting Ireland’, says Tánaiste as 80pc of asylum-seekers now coming from across Border
There is a “Rwanda effect” on international protection migrants coming to Ireland from the UK, Foreign Affairs Minister Micheál Martin has said.
Now Rishi should use this. Spread disinformation, get them to the wrong airport and leave them there. I suggest Newcastle because Mr Average Geordie will not take kindly to his piss weekend in Ibiza being disrupted.....The Calais nuts are bound to find out where the runway is and glue themselves
Maybe they could send the NGO’s with them to help them settle in
