COVID-19 vaccine #7 and general vaccine conversation

[justbeingnosy98]

Based on the previous response about people unsure of how there are side effects in years to come , I just wanted to ask something and see what peoples responses are

so the Astra Zeneca jab and the flu jab use the same technologies based on the Adenovirusvectors ,the vaccine composition for the flu jab is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick so 2019 could have diff ingredients to 2020 or 2021

but nobody questions the flu jabs for those who need it and say oh this year is a whole new jab with ingredients that haven’t used before , I’m nervous in having it because it hasn’t been done before.

Just wondered why it’s any different to having a covid jab - ( I’m referring to AZ and not Pfizer as Pfizer is mRNA )

This was my thought process too

 

[jackolantern]

In general I don’t agree with vaccine passports, definitely not domestically.

However I think I maybe am okay with them for international purposes, because I never had a problem with countries requiring certain vaccinations for entry prior to covid so I don’t see why I would have a problem with it for this particular vaccine.

I also think there is a huge distinction to be made between needing them to do normal everyday things vs going on holiday to a certain destination (don’t believe all countries require it and will accept testing or quarantine but I may be wrong.) for this reason, I voted for international use only.

I am vaccinated but I am already an anxious traveller so it does put me off in terms of worrying about having everything I need.

Is there potential that Austria won’t actually move forward with mandatory vaccines and this is just a hollow threat?

It wouldn't be a surprise if they were using it as a tool to ramp up acceptance, but equally wouldn't be a surprise if they did go ahead with it. Only time will tell I suppose!

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

It wouldn't be a surprise if they were using it as a tool to ramp up acceptance, but equally wouldn't be a surprise if they did go ahead with it. Only time will tell I suppose!

It's so hard to tell what's fear porn and what's reality at the moment. I can see it going the same way as the lockdown restrictions did. When it came down to it eventually all fines were dropped as they weren't real laws. A lot of what we see is to frighten people into submission.

 

[monga]

Possible mandates for Germans next year

 

[Purrrrrrr]

Based on the previous response about people unsure of how there are side effects in years to come , I just wanted to ask something and see what peoples responses are

so the Astra Zeneca jab and the flu jab use the same technologies based on the Adenovirusvectors ,the vaccine composition for the flu jab is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick so 2019 could have diff ingredients to 2020 or 2021

but nobody questions the flu jabs for those who need it and say oh this year is a whole new jab with ingredients that haven’t used before , I’m nervous in having it because it hasn’t been done before.

Just wondered why it’s any different to having a covid jab - ( I’m referring to AZ and not Pfizer as Pfizer is mRNA )

There are many different reasons, mine I no longer trust any vaccine for anyone but if they want it, that's up to them.
Some don't think they need this vaccine due to covid not being deadly enough to risk, some already have had reactions to the flu vax.

Some don't think the long term effects are known.. Heck they didn't even know the short term of people dying right after the jab.. so you want to trust the long term that's up to you but others are allowed to see what they see and decide from that.

 

[jackolantern]

It's so hard to tell what's fear porn and what's reality at the moment. I can see it going the same way as the lockdown restrictions did. When it came down to it eventually all fines were dropped as they weren't real laws. A lot of what we see is to frighten people into submission.

Yeah, I think alot of the time they know they can't really get away with it, but as far as they are concerned, if it scares a few more million into submission - win win!

I can honestly say, as much as I accept people all disagree on topics in life and that's normal, I am not interested in having a single person in my life who supports mandating healthcare. It's an utterly barbaric concept and I just cannot fathom how anyone thinks it will stop here if we bow down to this.

 

[monga]

It's so hard to tell what's fear porn and what's reality at the moment. I can see it going the same way as the lockdown restrictions did. When it came down to it eventually all fines were dropped as they weren't real laws. A lot of what we see is to frighten people into submission.

I think they will go ahead they’re not spending billions on vaccines/ development for nobody to take them it would be too much of a gamble…softly softly at the start before they come down hard on people.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

I think they will go ahead they’re not spending billions on vaccines/ development for nobody to take them it would be too much of a gamble…softly softly at the start before they come down hard on people.

But isn't this all just one big gamble on their part? I mean where does this all end? What is their end game with these vaccines .

 

[monga]

Based on the previous response about people unsure of how there are side effects in years to come , I just wanted to ask something and see what peoples responses are

so the Astra Zeneca jab and the flu jab use the same technologies based on the Adenovirusvectors ,the vaccine composition for the flu jab is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick so 2019 could have diff ingredients to 2020 or 2021

but nobody questions the flu jabs for those who need it and say oh this year is a whole new jab with ingredients that haven’t used before , I’m nervous in having it because it hasn’t been done before.

Just wondered why it’s any different to having a covid jab - ( I’m referring to AZ and not Pfizer as Pfizer is mRNA )

They’re mixing two different technologies for the covid vaccines using both methods together plus you don’t get 3+ flu vaccines a year possibly for the rest of your life who knows what long term implications are on the immune system and cells ,is having your immune system shocked into a constant high not concerning what if it decided to turn on itself after a while and people end up with autoimmune disorders they think they’re borne out of an overactive immune system as is.

But isn't this all just one big gamble on their part? I mean where does this all end? What is their end game with these vaccines .

I don’t think they’ll see it as a gamble if they plan to make them mandatory they said it’s the only way they can keep the virus controlled while giving people the freedom they want.

 

[mcfeez]

I am against domestic passports for definite. Morally I think they are wrong but they are also impractical. I was in Italy recently where we had to present proof of vaccine for all tourist activities, transport and eating/drinking indoors. They checked for them at around 90% of the places I went to but for most its obviously just a checkbox exercise. One place they asked for photographic ID alongside my vaccine, the names did not match (maiden vs married name) but I was permitted in no problem. A few times I showed my QR code on my phone, the staff member waved their device over it but did not verify it. It added so much time and effort, a literal duplication of staffing for major attractions i.e. one person checking tickets, one person checking vaccine info/neg tests.

 

[StrawberryCream]

If they make vaccines mandatory they will make a lot of other things mandatory, you’re setting a precedent for governments to control more and more aspects of your life and freedom of choice is taken away from you. Before you know it you’re living in totalitarianism

 

[monga]

If they make vaccines mandatory they will make a lot of other things mandatory, you’re setting a precedent for governments to control more and more aspects of your life and freedom of choice is taken away from you. Before you know it you’re living in totalitarianism

Governments already do thay anyway they can flick a switch any time they like ...Their house their rules ...

 

[Lisdiz]

I am happy to answer. Honestly I cannot comment right now as this is just an abstract - is there a link to the full article. It may not be available just yet.

Also why am I the only being tagged about my thoughts?

I tag you because you are respectful and I respect you.

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

I tag you because you are respectful and I respect you.

Thank you, likewise. I wish more posters would respond in the manner that you do even though our opinions are not always the same.

 

[Lisdiz]

His long before this is retracted View attachment 879426

He will back track. I hate this guy.

 

[monga]

He will back track. I hate this guy.

Never trust a politician they tell you what you want to hear at the time but follow through on nothing .

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

I think one thing we all probably agree on is that the whole government needs to be put in the bin.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

If the fact that McDonalds was open during lockdowns isn't enough to show you this pandemic isn't as serious as they make it out to be, NOTHING ever will.

If people were dropping like flies the last thing you'd be thinking about is a Big Mac.

Exactly, in China they were supposedly sealing people in their houses and people were dropping dead in the street. But in the UK unless you worked in a health care setting you would have never known there was a pandemic if you didn't turn on the news.

But the fact we never really went into lockdown makes me feel quite confident that our gov won't implement the types of measures they are in mainland Europe.

We called it a lockdown but most people I know kids went to school and nursery. I went out everyday, loads of shops and eateries were still open for take out. In London the pubs were still open for business as usual but they served your drinks in plastic cups and made you stand outside. The essential workers list was massive and was basically everything except beauty and sport and entertainment.

They never even enforced work from home, the actual rule was work from home if you can. If was businesses that made the decision to close.

 

[SpanishPink]

They’re mixing two different technologies for the covid vaccines using both methods together plus you don’t get 3+ flu vaccines a year possibly for the rest of your life who knows what long term implications are on the immune system and cells ,is having your immune system shocked into a constant high not concerning what if it decided to turn on itself after a while and people end up with autoimmune disorders they think they’re borne out of an overactive immune system as is.

I have an autoimmune disorder (not high risk regarding Covid) and for this reason I chose not to get vaccinated. I'm still young and don't want to risk having to deal with a second one.
Some people totally get this, others look at me like I'm dumb.

 

[Purrrrrrr]

Exactly, in China they were supposedly sealing people in their houses and people were dropping dead in the street. But in the UK unless you worked in a health care setting you would have never known there was a pandemic if you didn't turn on the news.

But the fact we never really went into lockdown makes me feel quite confident that our gov won't implement the types of measures they are in mainland Europe.

We called it a lockdown but most people I know kids went to school and nursery. I went out everyday, loads of shops and eateries were still open for take out. In London the pubs were still open for business as usual but they served your drinks in plastic cups and made you stand outside. The essential workers list was massive and was basically everything except beauty and sport and entertainment.

They never even enforced work from home, the actual rule was work from home if you can. If was businesses that made the decision to close.

In the first lockdown? No pubs restaurants etc were still open where I was and im not far from London?