rainbowlemon
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Planes also have HEPA filters.
Up to you though if it makes you more comfortable.
Up to you though if it makes you more comfortable.
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Prefrontalmedialcortex
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I think you are missing the point… that thread title wouldn’t work as it kinda goes against what this thread is for.
It’s a thread for vaccine and general vaccine conversation. For the past 23 threads it has been kept the same name.
struggs123
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Generally speaking anyone is now at less risk from dying that they were when covid emerged. Sure the proportionality between groups hasn't changed, but currently the elderly and other high risk groups are (thankfully) less likely to die from covid than they were, ergo proportionately as a crude measure so are under 50s and people who are low risk. Its more complex than that but your statement is true as is the fact that the risk profile has changed.
Prefrontalmedialcortex
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You haven’t read all the threads then. Likewise, people against the Covid vaccines choose to ignore facts and what people actually say - instead they twist things.I think it’s sad that there are double standards and it is one-sided. This thread used to have a balance of opinions but people only want to hear one perspective and for it to be an echo chamber.
Repeated claims of this thread being an echo chamber but when the pro CV people are challenged on facts not opinions they choose to ignore that’s my own experience
Just to add I thought it was agreed elsewhere to laugh from a distance something about certain people being pointless to engage with wasn’t it
I don’t know what point you are trying to make and by also taking users comments from another thread and posting them here - it makes it look like you are trying to stir things.
Have you read the CT thread? My point made about double standards.
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OwlAtTheMoon
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I'd be wary of this report by high financier Edward Dowd, who has no medical or epidemiological credentials. Its premise centres on a message which is seriously misinforming, which only serves to take away from real cases of vaccine injury and deaths. 52 confirmed UK vaccine-related deaths rainbowlemon mentions, each one a personal tragedy, but statistically speaking, with any large-scale intervention due to a worldwide health emergency there will always be side effects with any healthcare intervention, especially when rolled put on such a huge scale. The comparative vaccination numbers are 151,000,000 vaccine doses given in the UK alone. 151 million vaccines! As an example of the illogical thinking of Dowd and co., If the vaccines were causing excessive numbers of serious side effects and deaths, we'd be seeing the UK's older populations in their 60s, 70s and 80s+, whose vaccine rollouts began the earliest in December 2020, dying off in significant excess mortality numbers over these past 2 years.... which we simply aren't.
Evidence shows that COVID-19 vaccines don’t increase the risk of death, contrary to claim by financier Edward Dowd
Multiple pieces of evidence show that COVID-19 vaccination doesn’t increase the risk of death. Like all medical interventions, the COVID-19 vaccines carry side effects, but most of these are mild and short-lived. Certain COVID-19 vaccines are associated with an increased risk of heart...
COVID-19 vaccines did not cause excess deaths among millennials
Social media users are sharing a video claiming there was a large number of excess deaths among the “millennial” age group, or people ages 25-44, due to the vaccine in late 2021.
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Prefrontalmedialcortex
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Erm no, it has remained the same as it is a vaccine and general vaccine thread ie. for general discussion from different perspectives.
People just want it to be an echo chamber.
Doctor_Wibble
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If as we are told the 'chinese virus' was in fact sponsored in its creation by the US, and the vaccines that are killing us all are from the US, then surely it should be a choruses of "hurrah we are saved" and "I for one, welcome our new overlords"..?
I made sure to get lots of stickers so I can present those to our glorious liberators and they will appoint me as dustbin prefect or if I'm really lucky, neighbourhood milk monitor
Doctor_Wibble
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I'd not heard of it either! But it seems there's a bunch of papers on it going back 20+ years, there's so much stuff that just went unnoticed as nobody was looking.Apparently there's such thing as a "stroke season".
OwlAtTheMoon
Well-known member
Yes, one not-so-good outcome might be that NICE is priced way out because the cancer vaccines will be unaffordable for the NHS. That however would be really bad publicity for the pharma companies after all this recent positive reporting of the new cancer treatments. The press would then have a role to play as it's they who've been all over these new treatments this week. They'd need to peer-pressurise the companies into supplying them cheaper so that everyone who needs them can benefit. Ridiculous that this kind of power appears to rest with the popular press but certainly true in the UK. If The Mail's on board you're winning...I’m sure it’ll be targeted at the private market, we may not have an NHS by that time lol, they have given the go ahead for one new drug but cost will be a big factor as per.
NHS in England to offer pioneering cancer drug to patients with ‘Jolie gene’
Health watchdog reverses decision not to recommend olaparib for patients with genetic faultwww.theguardian.com
OwlAtTheMoon
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daydreamer95
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Question was open to anybody in original post you responded but not to that part so I followed up, fair play to you for being the only one that is willing to engage
People are constantly being labelled it’s the accepted line so I wanted to know if you and others on these threads thought it was fair and accurate because to me it isn’t
Prefrontalmedialcortex
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I don’t get it. 🫣
Prefrontalmedialcortex
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It isn’t ridiculous. It’s fact.
monga
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Yeah it was me posted it, I said it was probably her going out and about had strengthened her immune system and not the drugs if the FDA report is accurate it’s probably true, poor woman getting into debt for nothing.
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Prefrontalmedialcortex
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Get your facts right first. It was nothing to do with what Poddular said and you’re a right one to talk…down playing the severity of Covid and calling it attention seekers disease.
Prefrontalmedialcortex
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We know vaccines have saved lives over the decades they have been used. This is fact.
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How can you say it is a no? Diseases have been eradicated thanks to vaccines = saving lives.So that's a no then for irrefutable proof.
"These are not statistics in the usual sense; researchers cannot magically count the people who would be dead in parallel universes in which vaccines were not available. They need to build mathematical models of what would have happened in these “counterfactual” worlds.
Covid vaccines saved lives in England, but why do estimates differ? | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters
Two Public Health England estimates of averted deaths use different approaches
It’s good to explore the same question through competing approaches. Many independent teams come up with different estimates of the reproduction number R, from which a committee has to come to a consensus. We return to George Box’s quote: “All models are wrong; the practical question is how wrong do they have to be to not be useful.” No model will be “correct”, and the quoted uncertainty interval of 26,100-28,400 deaths should be taken with a pinch of salt, as it assumes the model is the truth. While the modelling approaches differ, both methods agree vaccines saved thousands of lives."
Interesting to read article sept 2020 listing other recent rushed safe and effective vaccines and the disastrous results. Warning of the dangers of lack of long term data.
Past vaccine disasters show why rushing a coronavirus vaccine now would be ‘colossally stupid’
""This could do substantial damage," Kinch said. Kinch, who is a patient in one of the vaccine trials himself, said the clinical trial process needs to be followed to the end. A too-early EUA for a vaccine could cause a "nightmare scenario," for a few reasons.
One, the vaccine may not be safe. Two, if it is not safe, people will lose faith in vaccines. Three, if a vaccine doesn't offer complete protection, people will have a false sense of security and increase their risk. Four, if a substandard vaccine gets an EUA, a better vaccine may never get approval, because people would be reluctant to enroll in trials and risk getting a placebo instead of a vaccine."