Everytime I asked this no one arguing that covid is just the flu bothered to answer. CT would probably agree with your last sentence actually.
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Excess deaths is an umbrella term for deaths that occurred from many things, ranging from suicide to illness not pinpointed at a pacific cause.There would be higher mortality during the pandemic from people not being able /too afraid to access healthcare same with MH affecting their ability to cope with certain things so they take their own life.
It was shown earlier in this thread that suicides were in fact down on pre-pandemic years so it can't be that.
It can still account if the cause of death was never established, people could be found dead at home where they drank themselves to death through their MH declining we know alcoholic related deaths increased throughout the pandemic as did consumption which can lead onto deaths from other illnesses ie stroke/ hypertension, heart disease there’s many things account for excess deaths.
Ok, let say you are right. Why then excess deaths have been at its heighest during the 2021 fall in a country with low vaccination such as Romania while covid restrictions were less stringent than during the lockdown in spring 2020? (Just as a reminder, this wave was fuelled by the delta variant - known as being the most lethal one - especially in communities with low vaccination). Or why Melbourne who had the longest lockdown during the pandemic doesn't have any excess deaths? If lockdown was the only factor of possible excess deaths Australia - that was mostly covid free up to this fall should have a large excess death. It's not the case.
Btw I am not denying that the excess deaths are only covid deaths. A lot of them have also been caused by the pressure on hospitals when they were full of patients and people couldn't have access to standard healthcare. And we will probably still pay these next years with cancers that couldn't be detected early enough because hospitals couldn't function properly.
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries
In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities
Precisely what we've been saying for ages. We can't stay in a perpetual cycle of lockdowns. If you feel protected by the jabs, and your mask and hand washing and social distancing, then that's the best form of defence you can hope for, so let's all get on with it now.
If you're still fearful, then don't socialise as much!
If you're still fearful, then don't socialise as much!
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But who is talking about wanting a lockdown on this thread? I didn't see anyone these last posts. Saying covid did have an impact on excess deaths doesn't equate wanting a lockdown. I think we can acknowledge we are in a much different situation than in march 2020.
I wasn't getting involved in your discussion, apologies if you feel my post with a quote from the Health Secretary on a Covid thread is inappropriate, I'll pop it back on later instead if that suits you better?
Ireland announced yesterday every health care worker (inc. students/porters/cleaners) are all getting a grand bonus next month
And a 4 day weekend for Paddys Day!Ireland announced yesterday every health care worker (inc. students/porters/cleaners) are all getting a grand bonus next month
you’re coming out with some very odd “facts” that are a work of fiction. That’s been argued many times by MH charities who say they’re seeing an increase in attempts as well as substance abuse/ED’s
According to the government self harm cases are down as well….also not true.
and referrals to MH services are at an all time high
Yes, care homes. Throw a bomb into a building you kill it’s residents
Ireland announced yesterday every health care worker (inc. students/porters/cleaners) are all getting a grand bonus next month
And yet Nicola gives us nothing, feels like all of the UK are moving forward expect us. We should get a bank holiday weekend for Burns night
you should just have a “give it rest Nicola you cotton wool wrapped twit” bank holiday,And yet Nicola gives us nothing, feels like all of the UK are moving forward expect us. We should get a bank holiday weekend for Burns night
Has she let you outside your front door yet this year
Earlier on in the threads there was a conversation regarding an increase in suicides - this was in early stages of pademic. It was found this was not the case. Of course the past two years has caused a huge amount of stress and impacted MH.
“Comparison of the suicide rates after lockdown began in 2020 for the same months in selected areas in 2019 showed no difference.”
Suicide in England in the COVID-19 pandemic: Early observational data from real time surveillance
We did not find a rise in suicide rates in England in the months after the first national lockdown began in 2020, despite evidence of greater distress. However, a number of caveats apply. These are early figures and may change. Any effect of the pandemic may vary by population group or...
www.thelancet.com
We have table service at pubs, no dancing allowed and no standing at the bar, vax passports for nightclubs and large eventsyou should just have a “give it rest Nicola you cotton wool wrapped twit” bank holiday,
Has she let you outside your front door yet this year
if it carries on much longer we might have to sell the house and move across the border all the Romania numbers prove is natural immunity is obviously a thing and whatever excess they had wasn’t wholly covid related , Australia like NZ never opened their borders throughout the pandemic until recently their lives were pretty normal compared to the rest of the world.Ok, let say you are right. Why then excess deaths have been at its heighest during the 2021 fall in a country with low vaccination such as Romania while covid restrictions were less stringent than during the lockdown in spring 2020? (Just as a reminder, this wave was fuelled by the delta variant - known as being the most lethal one - especially in communities with low vaccination). Or why Melbourne who had the longest lockdown during the pandemic doesn't have any excess deaths? If lockdown was the only factor of possible excess deaths Australia - that was mostly covid free up to this fall should have a large excess death. It's not the case.
Btw I am not denying that the excess deaths are only covid deaths. A lot of them have also been caused by the pressure on hospitals when they were full of patients and people couldn't have access to standard healthcare. And we will probably still pay these next years with cancers that couldn't be detected early enough because hospitals couldn't function properly.
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries
In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalitieswww.economist.com
How many. That table is for the 0-2 age group. The point of the post was how crazy it is for people in that age group to get jabbed.
So you tell me, how many in that age group have so called "long covid". Then tell me how many of those can not attribute their long covid to anything else such as existing poor health, pre existing health problems or it simply being psycho samatic. Then tell me how long their loooong covid lasted for.
Because I'm not gonna be jabbing my kids based on limited data and fear mongering over post viral fatigue.
If you don't know that info, I suggest you stop getting your knickers in a twist about "long covid"
and you honestly, honestly believe suicide rates are down? when world wide people are losing their businesses, facing bankruptcy, enduring domestic abuse, being forced out of their homes, relying on food banks to feed their families.Earlier on in the threads there was a conversation regarding an increase in suicides - this was in early stages of pademic. It was found this was not the case. Of course the past two years has caused a huge amount of stress and impacted MH.
“Comparison of the suicide rates after lockdown began in 2020 for the same months in selected areas in 2019 showed no difference.”
Suicide in England in the COVID-19 pandemic: Early observational data from real time surveillance
We did not find a rise in suicide rates in England in the months after the first national lockdown began in 2020, despite evidence of greater distress. However, a number of caveats apply. These are early figures and may change. Any effect of the pandemic may vary by population group or...www.thelancet.com
we saw some pretty creative editing of covid death figures over the last 2 years, you’re taking this “report” at face value despite so many arguing it’s not the case, the number of people being reported as “missing” has also gone up, every day in the media I’m hearing of someone they’re looking to find who they’re concerned about.
lazy-twit-itus,
Need a month off work….. it’s the long covid you see
This was earlier on in the pandemic, I don’t know what the figures are like since then as we are now nearly 2 years in since the first lockdown. I am not disputing how much it has affected people, families, MH, crime, businesses etc.
not looking to argue btw, I do enjoy a friendly debate when we can all converse without getting bitchy.
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